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do you take a supplement? Or is there a way to get it naturally? interested both for myself, who is breastfeeding at the moment, and my husband
 

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I don't think I've ever taken the methylcobalamin version before, but a bottle will arrive Wednesday. I figure I'll put one under my tongue every other day and also continue to eat a little nutritional yeast that has the other kind of B12 in it, almost every day.
 

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I just read that if you used to be a meat eater, then you have enough B12 in your system to last for 20 years, has anyone heard that before?
 

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Fortified foods and/or a supplement.<br>
There's no reliable way to obtain b12 in modern society "naturally."<br>
Luckily, using modern science to solve ethical dilemnas is natural enough for me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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do you take a supplement? Or is there a way to get it naturally? interested both for myself, who is breastfeeding at the moment, and my husband</div>
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You both need to supplement or use fortified foods. If you are breastfeeding your baby is getting all his or her B12 from you so it is extra important. Many omnis are B12 deficient due to processing methods of foods and all omnis over 50 are recommended to supplement, so don't just rely on enough B12 being stored up in your body.<br><br>
Also Ive heard that all breastfed babies should be given a vitamin D supplement directly in a liquid version, but vegan parents may be able to advise you more about that.
 

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I just read that if you used to be a meat eater, then you have enough B12 in your system to last for 20 years, has anyone heard that before?</div>
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That number is a bit high. It varies from person to person, so just because one person didn't have any issues for many years doesn't mean everyone can go that long without.
 

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I really have no idea. It's something I've been meaning to put a little research into for ages.<br>
I think it's time to find a supplement. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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my husband give me a VITB12 injection every week. It helps tremedously with energy. Not the nicest injection to get as it burn but so worth it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>nuddle</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2898210"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I just read that if you used to be a meat eater, then you have enough B12 in your system to last for 20 years, has anyone heard that before?</div>
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That's an extremely exaggerated version* of a half truth that gets passed off as conventional wisdom far too much in the vegan community. If you try to go that long without a reliable dietary source of B12 you're playing a very dangerous game of dice with your health, one that can very easily be avoided by taking a simple B12 supplement or consuming fortified foods.<br><br>
As Jack Norris R.D. says in <a href="http://veganhealth.org/articles/everyvegan" target="_blank">his wonderful summary</a> of the findings of medical science on B12:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">To be truly healthful, a diet must be best not just for individuals in isolation but must allow all six billion people to thrive and achieve a sustainable coexistence with the many other species that form the “living earth.” From this standpoint the natural adaptation for most (possibly all) humans in the modern world is a vegan diet. There is nothing natural about the abomination of modern factory farming and its attempt to reduce living, feeling beings to machines. In choosing to use fortified foods or B12 supplements, vegans are taking their B12 from the same source as every other animal on the planet – micro-organisms – without causing suffering to any sentient being or causing environmental damage.<br>
Vegans using adequate amounts of fortified foods or B12 supplements are much less likely to suffer from B12 deficiency than the typical meat eater. The Institute of Medicine, in setting the US recommended intakes for B12 makes this very clear. “Because 10 to 30 percent of older people may be unable to absorb naturally occurring vitamin B12, it is advisable for those older than 50 years to meet their RDA mainly by consuming foods fortified with vitamin B12 or a vitamin B12-containing supplement.” Vegans should take this advice about 50 years younger, to the benefit of both themselves and the animals. B12 need never be a problem for well-informed vegans.<br>
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I hope this addresses your concerns about "natural" living. Truly, we do not live natural lives as it is. We're typing on a man made machine, probably sitting in an artificial environment. As there are very serious health consequences to not getting enough B12, just as there are extremely regrettable environmental and ethical implications for eating meat, as vegans we should not fall prey to pseudo science and unsubstantiated urban myths when it comes to a vital topic like this.<br><br>
We should trust what medical science says, which can be done quite easily while still adhering strictly to the ethical framework of veganism.<br><br><br><br>
* I chose this wording specifically. The regular half-truth that gets passed around is that if you had a diet heavy in animal products you have enough B12 to last five years. Sometimes this gets exaggerated to 10 years. The 20 year claim is much rarer and more extreme, and even anecdotal evidence for it seems scarce. Some individuals claim to have gone for 30 or 40 years without ill effects but they're in an <i>extreme</i> minority and may possibly possess a genetic mutation that most of us don't have.<br><br>
Bottom line is every vegan should make sure they get at least the minimum recommended level for B12, and that means using a supplement or fortified food. Things like sea weed <a href="http://veganhealth.org/b12/plant" target="_blank">are not reliable sources, at all.</a> This has been thoroughly debunked by recent research.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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my husband give me a VITB12 injection every week. It helps tremedously with energy. Not the nicest injection to get as it burn but so worth it.</div>
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Where do you get these injections? Are they available commercially or is your husband in the medical field? I've been meaning to try this approach for some time to see if it's even more effective than the sub lingual absorption I've been using for the past year.
 

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one can buy the vitb12 and syringes / needles at pharmacies. My husband use to be a bodybuilder back in the day and gave himself vitb6+12 injections so he knows what he is doing. I find the pill form dont really work so great for me. I can def feel the difference with the weekly injection. JUST do be tried if you know what you are doing as you can really hurt yourself.<br><br>
LOL I hate needles and it burns but its worth it.
 

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one can buy the vitb12 and syringes / needles at pharmacies. My husband use to be a bodybuilder back in the day and gave himself vitb6+12 injections so he knows what he is doing. I find the pill form dont really work so great for me. I can def feel the difference with the weekly injection. JUST do be tried if you know what you are doing as you can really hurt yourself.<br><br>
LOL I hate needles and it burns but its worth it.</div>
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I actually hate needles and have never self injected anything in my life. It's one of the many reasons I'd make a horrible drug user. But if I thought it would be a very good thing for me health I could take a class or something. I'm not sure if I actually need to go that far. I seem to get good absorption from oral supplements, especially the sub lingual type.
 

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^Yeah same, and my rice milk and margerine is also fortified <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Fortified foods mostly (cereal, non-dairy milks, nutritional yeast) and occasionally, I'll take a multivitamin. Might leave the current multivitamin we have to my boyfriend and pick up a good vegan chewable or sublingual B12 supplement to be more consistent. I can't swallow pills and the multi we have doesn't taste very good when chewed, even after I drink something with it. I do chew up a 2400IU vitamin D2 tablet daily though (tastes like chalk, mmm), it's a bit more bearable and it's needed since I rarely go out for sun.<br><br>
Since you're pregnant, I'm sure you'll be looking to get enough of what's needed for both you and baby. Good luck!
 

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The Vegan Society's (UK) VEG 1 supplement, which has already been mentioned, and also fortified TVP. A few years ago I did use vegan margarine/spread, but I don't use that anymore.
 

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I just read that if you used to be a meat eater, then you have enough B12 in your system to last for 20 years, has anyone heard that before?</div>
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That is a dangerous assumption to make, and one that quite frankly bothers me.<br><br>
I was diagnosed as being deficient in B12 <i>as</i> a meat eater so I think it's a bit dodgy to tell someone who has recently become veg*n that they have x amount of years to not worry about it. I know you didn't do that. But given so many people like me were deficient before we even became veg*ns, you simply cannot count on everyone having some sort of reserve that will 'last you a while'. You don't know what the person's status was before they even started on this journey.<br><br>
It's time for everyone (veg*ns and omnis alike) to stop being so defensive about our diets and simply start promoting good health without an agenda whatsoever.<br><br>
I take 500 mcg of B12 sublingual per day and have never felt better since doing so.<br><br>
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my husband give me a VITB12 injection every week. It helps tremedously with energy. Not the nicest injection to get as it burn but so worth it.</div>
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Is there a reason why you get one every week? That sounds excessive. How much is contained in an injection and how long is it <i>supposed</i> to last?
 
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