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So, my roommate (this is our first month living together, and I already want to throw her off the balcony) claims to be so 'earth friendly' and 'animal loving' and has seen all the movies that one would usually recommend to someone like that. She's seen Food Inc. and all the other 'main stream' ones. She lends me a book today about 'the best companies to buy from' as far as the environment and treatment or animals goes, and she loves recycling.<br><br>
Recycling is the only. And I mean only. Thing she does for the environment. She is a meat eater and has to be she claims because of iron problems, she drives her car places you can drive me, she uses Tide Detergent, eats frozen dinners, drinks factory farmed milk and has the NERVE to ask me not to buy gallons of water because I think tap water tastes like **** and I refuse to drink tap. Forget that I recycle the bottles, have NEVER owned a car, haven't eaten mean for SIX years and haven't drank a glass of milk for NINE. **** that. She's obviously morally superior thanks to her recycling.<br><br>
And I can't even preach about veg*nism with her because 'she's so happy I'm not one of those people that shoves their beliefs down someones throat'...<br><br>
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Ugh, I can't stand people like that at all. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> The best way to be in situations like that is to lead by example. And if the opportunity ever comes up in conversation, mention how the meat industry is possibly the one thing that is killing the environment the most, and of course how spinach is a much better source of iron than meat is. There's a good and easy to read book in the shelf at work, "How to Reduce Your Carbon Footprint" by Yarrow, which clearly states that the meat industry is responsible for a large share of environmental destruction, which may be good to buy and leave on the coffee table.<br><br>
And if all else fails, as long as she respects what you're about, then that's a start.
 

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Next time she b*tches at you for buying water bottles, ***** at her for eating meat or driving everywhere. Seriously. If she's "so happy" that you aren't one of those people who shove your beliefs down her throat, she shouldn't be shoving hers down yours.
 

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Next time she b*tches at you for buying water bottles, ***** at her for eating meat or driving everywhere. Seriously. If she's "so happy" that you aren't one of those people who shove your beliefs down her throat, she shouldn't be shoving hers down yours.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> I generally try to avoid conflict with people like that, but you do live with her and if she's going to keep making bitchy judgmental comments she's just begging for a reply. Next time she says something rude I'd probably say some version of what you said here, point out why she's being hypocritical and tell her she's annoying you.<br><br>
If she's going to irritate you ANYWAY you may as well actually say what's on your mind rather than holding it all in... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Werewolf Girl</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2953820"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> I generally try to avoid conflict with people like that, but you do live with her and if she's going to keep making bitchy judgmental comments she's just begging for a reply. Next time she says something rude I'd probably say some version of what you said here, point out why she's being hypocritical and tell her she's annoying you.<br><br>
If she's going to irritate you ANYWAY you may as well actually say what's on your mind rather than holding it all in... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></div>
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Yeah, I agree. If I thought ignoring her would help I'd ignore her, but clearly she seems persistent in getting a response and will probably just act just as bad anyways, so you might as well not have to hold you're tongue as much.
 

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Get her to do one of those 'how big is your carbon footprint' tests. Say you found it online, and you should both do it. Do yours, then hers, and see how massive hers is. Maybe it'll open her eyes.
 

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Get her to do one of those 'how big is your carbon footprint' tests. Say you found it online, and you should both do it. Do yours, then hers, and see how massive hers is. Maybe it'll open her eyes.</div>
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That's brilliant! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"><br><br>
Forget what I said, that idea is gold.
 

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I hate people like that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/veryangry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":grr:"><br><br>
But in a way, there's probably something hypocritical about all of us...
 

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of course how spinach is a much better source of iron than meat is.</div>
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I don't think this is true. Our bodies absorb the iron in meat much better than the iron in plants. That doesn't mean you can't get adequate iron on a veg diet, but as far as I know, saying spinach is a better iron source than meat is not true, even if we'd like it to be. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I had a roommate situation almost exactly like this - she yelled at our other roommates for drinking factory-farmed milk, eating veal, or forgetting to recycle, but ate a ton - a TON - of cheese, and even wore leather and bragged about how fine/expensive it was. Where did she think the cheese came from?? She gave me grief for not eating meat, too, constantly asking me to "just try it" and calling me uptight for refusing. Lol.<br><br>
The advice here is good - say something soon, and don't let it go on too long or she may feel more entitled/enabled to keep pushing you.<br><br>
Be warned, though: in my experience, many people like that CANNOT process criticism. If you do say something to her, no matter how tactfully, it's quite possible she'll sulk, get mad at you and say you've been "mean," "rude," "cruel," "insensitive," something like that. Don't fall for it. Unless you smash all her property during the confrontation and scream at her calling her mother a whore...you're not doing anything wrong. People that self-righteous love to pin guilt onto anyone who stands up to them, so just be prepared.<br><br>
Good luck <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Don't be afraid to move out if you can - that's what I ended up doing, and it ended up being a great decision. Some people are just toxic.
 

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Oh thats the think, I *know* she doesn't take criticism well. I used to hear about problems she was having with her former roommates, and I thought they were just over reacting and being weird about it, but now I kind of get it. She picks at things she really doesn't need to.<br><br><br>
Can't move out until July 15th, 2012.
 

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Now she sounds even more like my former roommate :p The girl had bucketloads of horror stories about all the terrible people she'd roomed with in the past. In the end she was telling the horror stories about me, because I told her to cut the nagging and manipulation, and moved out when she persisted.<br><br>
Stinks that you can't move <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Must be a lease involved?
 

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Perhaps if you bought a water filtration system (brita, pur, etc...) she'd just shut up? While you recycle the plastic, it's isn't 100% recyclable, plus energy is used to manufacture it, in the recycling, and in transporting water in bottles to your store.
 

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Try to remember that if she identifies as an environmentalist, she's much more likely to behave more like a real environmentalist than someone who rejects the identity label.<br><br>
What if you tried to embark on an environmental project that neither of you are currently envolved in? Like plant a veggie garden or set up a compost? You might find you have more common ground and can work from there to help each other become more eco-friendly.
 

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So, my roommate (this is our first month living together, and I already want to throw her off the balcony) claims to be so 'earth friendly' and 'animal loving' and has seen all the movies that one would usually recommend to someone like that. She's seen Food Inc. and all the other 'main stream' ones. She lends me a book today about 'the best companies to buy from' as far as the environment and treatment or animals goes, and she loves recycling.<br><br>
Recycling is the only. And I mean only. Thing she does for the environment. She is a meat eater and has to be she claims because of iron problems, she drives her car places you can drive me, she uses Tide Detergent, eats frozen dinners, drinks factory farmed milk and has the NERVE to ask me not to buy gallons of water because I think tap water tastes like **** and I refuse to drink tap. Forget that I recycle the bottles, have NEVER owned a car, haven't eaten mean for SIX years and haven't drank a glass of milk for NINE. **** that. She's obviously morally superior thanks to her recycling.<br><br>
And I can't even preach about veg*nism with her because 'she's so happy I'm not one of those people that shoves their beliefs down someones throat'...<br><br>
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*shrugs really big* What can you do? We can't reach everybody.
 

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The hypocrites and the vainglorious aren't irredeemable, just nearly so.<br><br>
In cases such as these I turn to Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius.<br>
"You can hold your breath until you're blue in the face, but they'll keep on doing it." Marcus<br>
"It's silly to try to escape other people's faults. They are inescapable. Instead, try to escape your own." Marcus<br>
"When you are offended at any man's fault, turn to yourself and study your own failings. Then you will forget your anger." Epictetus<br><br>
Anyway. Helps me when I find myself in such situations.
 

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I have a pur on our faucet however, I rather have bottled water for taste myself. Especially my health problems I am having. However, I will still drink out of the tap with our pur but I rather have bottled water.<br>
And when people says you need meat for iron is crazy, I want to say something next month well in a few weeks I am going pure vegeterian however, since moved I had to make a setback to meat and had some beef stew and another type of simple meats, we hardly purchase meats by the way however, when I went to the hospital ER both times and also the over night stay a few weekends ago. They tested my blood count I had great amount of animal products in my system that week and I tested anemic. This was the same thing a few years ago when i was tested while being a major meat eater , we ate meat everyday and I still was told I was anemic. Why was I am still anemic while eating the high protien food that the Omni's says it is?<br>
However, I am feeling better what choices I am making for one the animals, second my health, third the environment and lastly I want to live peacefully.<br>
I am sorry your roomate wants to be a pain with your lifestyle and choices I hope things will get a better and check into a waterfilter.
 

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Perhaps if you bought a water filtration system (brita, pur, etc...) she'd just shut up? While you recycle the plastic, it's isn't 100% recyclable, plus energy is used to manufacture it, in the recycling, and in transporting water in bottles to your store.</div>
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That's what brought it up, she has a brita and I don't like it. I drink a gallon of water a day, her brita pitcher doesn't produce enough to fill my bottle, and if a gallon of water a day (which gets recycled) is my only 'environmental vice' she needs to stfu.<br><br>
@YellowRose, Exactly. A year lease.<br>
@ ElaineV: I have a plot in the community organic garden, she doesn't want to do that, or anything like it, because of how hippy it is. We live in Bellingham, WA, one of the most cyclist-veg*n friendly-environmentally conscious areas in the pacific northwest, and she thinks it's too 'hippy'.<br>
@JoshJames: No, but how can we shut them up while keeping it friendly-liveable for a year?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Our bodies absorb the iron in meat much better than the iron in plants.</div>
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Probably dependent on the entire nutritional make up of the diet. Better generally, sure, but how an individual deals with any nutrient is influenced by many factors, not just the nutrient source. So this isn't really a blanket statement that can be made without reference to other possible factors.
 
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