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Hey guys!<br><br><br><br>
Caroline and I adopted a new cat from the shelter today, a one year old female named Nibbles (we're hoping to change it to Arianna though) she's been in the shelter since she was a very little kitten.<br><br><br><br>
We have two cats almost exactely the same age as her, also both females, Ava and Abbie. They were litter mates and have been together their entire lives. I'm making sure I give Ari a room to herself and that we're not crowding her or overwhelming her.<br><br><br><br>
Does anyone else have any suggestions on how to make this transition smooth?
 

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As an update, it's been about 45 minutes (since Ari got home) and she's been in the spare room under the bed the whole time. Abbie is under there with her, and Ava is hanging out just outsite the bed looking at them. Oh my goodness, this is stressful!
 

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I read a lot of good advice on how to do this in a book called cat vs. cat.<br><br><br><br>
It is summed up pretty well here: <a href="http://cats.about.com/cs/catmanagement101/a/introducecats.htm" target="_blank">http://cats.about.com/cs/catmanageme...roducecats.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
I recently introduced a 5 month old to a 6 month old, and the first 6 hours I thought they'd never like each other. Within 24 hours of using a very sped up version of the instructions here, they were playing and in a week, sleeping close to each other. (now, a month later, they lick each other all the time.) You won't have the same ease as I did, but your cats are still pretty young, so it shouldn't be so bad.
 

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I am SO STRESSED OUT about this. These cats are my children and all I want is them to be happy! They seem to be ok...I hope...
 

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Thanks Thalia, that helps. I've gotta run out and get litter. Thought I had some for her own litter box but I seem to be out. Eep. She's SO sweet though.
 

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I think it's a really bad idea to have introduced them so early! If you read the link, you might consider separating and trying again, if it's not working out.<br><br><br><br>
Ari had a lot to deal with just being in a new place. I don't think another cat under the bed - probably trying to assert territory - was good for her. Cats like safe place when they're stressed, and that was likely not a safe place with the other cat there.<br><br><br><br>
I hope it's working. I don't mean to be harsh to you - but I wish people would look into this stuff a little before getting a new animal (especially a cat, as they tend to be territorial and less adaptable than dogs) and then throwing her in with the existing ones without much thought as to how to do it. It's great that you adopted her, but I hope others think about this if they get a new animal.
 

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My first thought was "Ack, why are Abbie and Ava in the same room with the new cat already." But I see others beat me to it. I also was going to recommend the book Cat Vs Cat, which I'm reading now in preperation for a new cat. (See thread <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=60052" target="_blank">here</a>). Everything I've read and know recommends keeping the new cat seperate in a safe space and introducing them very slowly. Let the cat adjust to the new room first with no cats, then introduce your cats' smells (swapping blankets, etc), then letting them interact under a door, then through a baby gate, etc. The cat I'm getting is older, and I'm a bit nervous about it working out also, so I plan on giving him a 2 to 5 month introduction period before letting them interact alone together.<br><br><br><br>
Even if it's working out with the new kitten, I really recommend backing up with the introduction and starting over with a week of seclusion first. It'll make things a lot better in the long run!<br><br><br><br>
Congrats on adopting a new kitty. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smitten.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":smitten:">
 

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I know a number of people who advocate putting them together straight away. Personally Im undecided on the issue, but the theory is that your home is already the territory of your existing pets, and sectioning off part of it for a new cat can make them resent the new animal. If the new cat is a submissive type it can work best to just introduce it and let them sort it out between themselves.
 

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I know a number of people who advocate putting them together straight away. Personally Im undecided on the issue, but the theory is that your home is already the territory of your existing pets, and sectioning off part of it for a new cat can make them resent the new animal. If the new cat is a submissive type it can work best to just introduce it and let them sort it out between themselves.</div>
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Are they behaviorists or just people who got cats who said, "well it worked out fine for me." Because I don't think it's accepted that that's a good idea. But I could be wrong, and I'd like to see if there's legitimate disagreement among behaviorists around this issue - please enlighten me with a link or source if that's the case <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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No matter were you get your cat from I highly advise not puting the new cat with your established cats right away.<br><br>
No matter how healthy they are they can bring soemthing in, now aside from that it is always better to keep the new cat in a smaller room with food,water, and litter for a day or two at least.<br><br>
Let her get used to the sounds of the house and let your other cats get used to her smell.<br><br>
Just be sure and go in and visit with her a whole lot while she is seperated.<br><br><br><br>
Then start introducing the cats to each other but NOT face to to face, be polite let your current cats sniff her from behind first.
 

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I know a number of people who advocate putting them together straight away. Personally Im undecided on the issue, but the theory is that your home is already the territory of your existing pets, and sectioning off part of it for a new cat can make them resent the new animal. If the new cat is a submissive type it can work best to just introduce it and let them sort it out between themselves.</div>
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What if they don't sort it out? I don't want two cats who dislike eachother or just tolerate each other. When I adopt a new cat I want to make sure it definetely works out that they like each other.<br><br>
But you're right that it's a good idea to not just suddenly shut out your current cats from a part of the house that they're accustomed to. I'm blocking off my spare bedroom weeks in advance. Some people can't do that though, (especially if that new cat's already there), so you just have to find the best space for the new cat that you can, and block that off for a few weeks.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't mention, but if you don't already have a Feliway plug in, get one! That'll help relax both the new cat and your current cats.
 

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My first thought was "Ack, why are Abbie and Ava in the same room with the new cat already." But I see others beat me to it. I also was going to recommend the book Cat Vs Cat, which I'm reading now in preperation for a new cat. ..............<br><br>
Congrats on adopting a new kitty. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smitten.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":smitten:"></div>
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We were prepared. Honestly, the only reason they ended up together was because Ava and Abbie ended up under the damn bed and we couldn't get them out. What we did eventually was flip the bed against the wall so it couldn't be hidden under. We got Ava and Abbie out and left Ari in there with food, water a litter box and really soft music playing. We visit her a lot. Shes got her safe room and we have to keep her away from our room cuz again, today she got out and hid under our bed and we could NOT get her out. Our room is now off limits to her because she gets under a bed and she's scared to come out poor dear. We're keeping them very very seperate and I'm following the plan that Thalia linked too. The reason I didn't post sooner was I ended up on the cats.about message board. THose people are amazing!<br><br><br><br>
She's out of her safe room right now because she did NOT want to be in there. She's interacting with the other cats, Abbie is totally like "meh, ok then" Ava is a little bit grumpier but Ari really doesn't seem to give a damn. She's just like "quiet you" Things are working out ok. I think Ava is scared of her actually! (I just put her back in, she came out, sniffed around, smelled Ava's ass and went back in. I went in, gave her a belly rub shut off the overhead light, turned on her nightlight and put on a classical music w/ nature sounds CD)<br><br><br><br>
What we do is keep them seperate, let Ari come out once in a while until she gets tired of exploring and keep Ava and Abbie in our room. Once a day or so we let them hang out, supervised for a while and we try and make it really really pleasant for all of them, we play, pet, give them reiki and let them eat a little bit of junk food (kitty junk food of course)<br><br><br><br>
I realize it was a mistake letting them interact so soon, but I can tell we didn't do any lasting damage, Ava and Abbie are still Ava and Abbie and Ari is like a completely different cat even from when we brought her home less than two days ago. She lounges now, before all she would do is curl up in a tight little ball. She stretches out on her back and lets me stroke her belly, she LOVES her catnip puff.<br><br><br><br>
She's even begging to be let out of her safe room to explore, it's AWESOME to watch her blossoming right in front of us. Lots of love, petting, reikki, REALLY good food does wonders I guess!<br><br><br><br>
Thansk for all your help guys! I'm gonna upload some pics and post a link to them so ya'll can see the new baby!
 

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I know a number of people who advocate putting them together straight away. Personally Im undecided on the issue, but the theory is that your home is already the territory of your existing pets, and sectioning off part of it for a new cat can make them resent the new animal. If the new cat is a submissive type it can work best to just introduce it and let them sort it out between themselves.</div>
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From personal experience, I know this is a bad idea. I rescued a cat from a relative of mine who thought it was a good idea to just let the cats sort it out, she ended up with a major eye injury and was so stressed out from the other cat constantly attacking her that she had stopped using the litterbox.<br><br><br><br>
When my husband moved in with his cat, we introduced the two of them (the cats)very, very slowly, using both the Cat vs. Cat book and our own cat's attitudes towards each other as a guide. We found using screens to be very, very effective. They got used to the sight of each other without being able to attack each other.
 

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Oh, Prairie girl, I am so glad for you and your progress. It sounds like you are very commited and doing the right thing. Congratulations on your shelter adoption!<br><br><br><br>
Arianna is a lovely name, especially if it suits her personality. My Zerena was named Ziggy for the first year and a half of her life, before we adopted her. Ziggy is a cute name, but this cat is so delicate and feminine (and a showoff), we just kept the letter Z and christened her with something more romantic. Of course, all of the cats have about seven nicknames.
 

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Yeah we've renamed all of our cats. I think we've decided to go w/ Jasmine for the new cat. I call her Jazzy Boo. Arianna didn't quite fit. Ava was originally Priscilla and Abbie was originally Splash. Things are going great. There's still the occassional hiss fest. But Jasmine is SUCH a sweet cat. At first she was so scared, even in the adoption centre she was terrified. She wouldn't move from this tightly curled haunched position. Now however, she sprawls out on the floor.<br><br><br><br>
Last night she jumped up on our bed and spent a good half hour just rolling around getting us to pet her. We're discovering her personality. She doesn't like to be scritched, only stroked. She loves to have her belly and under her chin stroked especially. She likes to stretch out on the bed right up against a blanketed leg. She's just to most delightful thing and it's amazing to watch her personality develop.
 

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I dont know if this will help. I have a 6-7 year old cat "Squishy." I Just got a 3-month old Kitten "Uli." Squishy hated Uli and hissed and growled for about 2 weeks. Now they are sleeping on the bed together. The 2 cats will work it out between themselves. Feed each one seperately so they dont get territorial about their food. If you give a snack to one, give it to another. Also if you allow one on your lap then do it to the other but not together. Dont let them get the idea either is getting any special favors. Allow them to fight it out. They will eventually come to an arrangement without human interferenace.
 

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I can't recommend Feliway enough. It <i>really</i> helped to mellow everyone out when I brought in a <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=7069&postid=32801" target="_blank">new kitty</a>. It also had the side effect of curing him of his doorjam/carpet scratching fetish.
 

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The 2 cats will work it out between themselves...Allow them to fight it out.</div>
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If this is what you were implying (?) I haven't seen any references that say that just throwing them together to fight it out is a good idea, and I've seen plenty that talk about a fairly careful process of introducing cats to other animals. Cats are very territorial and many are high-strung. Sometimes "fighting it out" means serious injury. For the best chance of success, I'd always go with the more careful and lengthy introduction, if there is any choice.
 

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From personal experience, I know this is a bad idea. I rescued a cat from a relative of mine who thought it was a good idea to just let the cats sort it out, she ended up with a major eye injury and was so stressed out from the other cat constantly attacking her that she had stopped using the litterbox.</div>
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I didn't suggest that anyone (or certainly anyone I know of) would suggest that in the long term they should be left to fight if they don't settle in, only that for introduction it can work out better if the existing cat doesnt feel like the new one has taken over some of its territory, and for many people the only way to introduce them gradually is to keep the old cat out of a part of its established territory.<br><br><br><br>
Irizary: Not behaviourists, but people who work in shelters and re-home cats on a daily basis (and certainly people who I would trust more than most of the behaviourists around).<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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What if they don't sort it out? I don't want two cats who dislike eachother or just tolerate each other. When I adopt a new cat I want to make sure it definetely works out that they like each other.</div>
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I don't think you can ever guarantee that two animals will like each other, just like you could never guatantee the same thing about two people. I believe that different methods of introduction would work for different cats, and some cats will just never be happy together. Choosing a cat with a personallity that might fit with your existing cat is probably more important than the way you decide to introduce them.<br><br>
I doubt mine would ever be happy with another one in the house at all(she never even really settled with the rabbit, and that was a very gradual introduction as for the first couple of years the rabbit lived in an indoor hutch most of the time). That is why I have never taken in another one, even to foster for a couple of nights, but if I did HAVE to bring in another one for some reason, I think she would resent it far more if it suddenly took over a corner of what has been exclusively her territory for the past 18 years than she would if she was given the opportunity to show it who was in charge.
 

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<a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=7179&c=501" target="_blank">Pictures!</a><br><br><br><br>
They are getting along really well now. It was two weeks yesterday. I took this picture on Friday. Thanks to everyone for your help!
 
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