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Hi, I'm new to the forum and hoping for support and advice for getting closer to being vegan. A vegetarian for over 10 years now, I love the idea of being vegan and know so many reasons to do it. My head is convinced, but my body rebels!<br><br>
I easily crave the tastes and the feeling of fullness of dairy. I've tried cutting out dairy in the past but just haven't been able to do it. Milk, yogurt, cheese, butter... I can give any one up at a time, sometimes two, but not all of them.<br><br>
If you had a similar experience, what helped you make the transition successfully? Please, I'm looking for supportive suggestions of what actually worked for you.<br><br>
Thanks in advance,<br><br>
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I was vegetarian for about two years before I went vegan. I went vegan once before for a week after a year of being vegetarian, but caved. My problem was I hadn't done much research. I didn't know all the ingredients to look out for, and now I realize I wasn't even vegan that week! I had been using margarine instead of butter, but the margarine had dairy in it. My problem, while vegetarian, was that I mostly relied on eggs and dairy. I mostly ate those and the occasional vegetable. :p I ended up being stuck at a friends dance recital and the only food available was a sub with cheese on it. I tried, but failed. Now, if I was in the same situation, I would be alright, I would know what I could get from the vending machine, and what I could have done. I would have had a protein bar in my bag and a banana or something. What I have learned is to always be prepared with your own food, or at least a snack in case you can't find something!<br><br>
My brother went vegan for a week for a school project a year after my first attempt, so I did too and my mom did, so that week was easy. I stayed vegan for a little longer, went back to having dairy, but I didn't have any milk. I don't really know how to explain it. I just knew I would be vegan again, so I should, before I start drinking soymilk, not drink any dairy milk so I wouldn't have the taste of dairy to compare the soymilk to.<br><br>
But I really did just cut it all out the moment I tried t be vegan. I don't think weaning yourself off of things works, well, I don't think it would work for me. I needed to feel that disgust from watching or reading about what happens to animals. I couldn't have done it, slowly weaning myself away. I went cold turkey (actually warm turkey! no turkeys die because of me! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> ) I think that's probably the best way.<br><br>
Yes, you will probably miss cheese, maybe butter and milk, but most likely cheese. I wouldn't recommend fake cheese, it's not the same, and will only make you want real cheese more. Fake cheese is something to save for later, after being vegan for a while, but I'm still not much of a fan of it. Eat avocado or something similar. Try a grilled hummus sandwich. Grill yourself a hummus tomato wrap! So delicious! Find something else to eat when you want cheese. If you don't like soymilk, don't drink it. Don't force yourself to have something you don't like, it might make you resentful to your diet. I find almond milk is better, but I don't drink it either. I only sometimes drink chocolate soy milk and that is rare. I'm pretty picky. If you don't like fake milk, try orange juice that's fortified, apple juice, or water. Water is always good to drink. Put the fake milks in cereal or coffee.<br><br>
Basically, the most successful way to make the transition, picture the animals that had to suffer when you look at the "food" dairy, eggs, whatever. Remember the stories you've heard about their suffering. Remember how that milk was meant for a calf that has been made into veal! Veal is a byproduct of the dairy industry! (Maybe the most helpful fact for dropping milk!) Humans are the only mammals to continue to drink milk after the weaning from mother's milk. And the only mammals that drink the milk of another mammal. We obviously don't really need it if all the other mammals are fine! Also, some cheese has rennet, which is not even vegetarian!
 

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Make a decision to dump dairy. Comit to yourself, to animals, and to the planet.<br>
Find milk alternatives. Try soy milk, hemp milk, almond milk, rice milk and other dairy replacements.<br>
Try other dairy alternatives: soy ice cream, coconut ice cream, margarine, vegan cheese, etc.<br>
Let your palate adjust to lighter foods. Give yourself time without dairy to learn how truly fatty it tastes. Once youve adjusted to lighter foods, you wont want to go back to the heavier versions.<br>
Remember that this is your choice, something youre doing for yourself, animals, and the planet. If you slip up and give in to dairy temptation, remind yourself afterwards that theres nothing stopping you from re-committing. You can choose to ditch dairy over and over and over. In fact, thats how new healthy habits are made: make the same healthy decision again and again till it just comes naturally.<br><br>
Also, check out this guide to dairy-free living:<br><a href="http://vegan.com/dairy-free/" target="_blank">http://vegan.com/dairy-free/</a>
 

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I watched the "Meet your Meat" video, went vegan the next day, and never looked back. I think the easiest way to go vegan is to keep reminding yourself why being vegan is important to you. Every time you crave non-vegan foods just watch part of Earthlings or a short video about factory farming. Also, i think it's important, at least in the beginning, to keep yourself away from any temptations of non-vegan foods. Don't keep any non-vegan foods in your fridge (give them away) and only go out to eat at restaurants that offer good vegan alternatives. Good luck!
 

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Hello, great that you want to be vegan <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Take it day by day, everyday you are vegan it gets a little easier the next day.<br><br>
Dairy is tough, cheese is highly addictive.<br><br>
Plan meals that don't rely on dairy products. Like if you normally eat alfredo sauce with pasta, switch to marinara, stuff like that.<br>
Don't buy the dairy products, if you don't buy it and its not in the house, you can't eat it.<br><br>
Keep reminders around about the cruelties associated with the dairy industry, whether it be a picture of a veal crate or a saying or phrase written somewhere you can see.
 

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Here's what worked for me. After I was convinced that I wanted to stop supporting the dairy industry, I gradually cut down on dairy products. Switching to soy milk and soy yogurt was pretty easy for me. I never really ate that much butter anyway, so all I needed to do was find suitable replacements for baking (vegetable shortening or oil). I use Spectrum canola spread when I want something buttery to spread on bread.<br><br>
I live in the midwest and loved cheese, so that was a bit tough. I basically started using less and less cheese -- just using a little sprinkle on top of some pasta, for example. I avoided meals that use cheese as a main component (mac and cheese, fettuccine alfredo, lasagna). I used to like cheese and crackers or nachos as a snack, but I switched to peanut butter or hummus with crackers or salsa with tortilla chips. Eventually I found that I didn't really miss the cheese. I would say it took about 6 months for me to go from "normal" dairy consumption to no dairy at all.<br><br>
Cheese substitutes aren't quite as good, but they do hit the spot when I'm craving something cheesy. I use this <a href="http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=7126.0" target="_blank">dry uncheese mix</a> for a sauce for macaroni and cheese, or made up with less water to spread on bread for grilled cheese. I also like to buy Follow Your Heart vegan cheese occasionally. Tofu ricotta is really good in lasagna, and it turns out I really like cheeseless pizza with lots of veggies on it although I'll occasionally use a cheese substitute.<br><br>
Well, I hope this helps!
 

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I became vegan when I stopped eating animal products. I did it for ethical reasons.<br><br>
It's not any harder than any of the other unpopular decisions I've made in my life, and those are many.
 

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Dairy started creeping me out more and more during the 90's. The cheese on a pizza had to be half burnt for me to half-way forget what it really was, while eating it.<br><br>
I guess the key was : What is this stuff, really ? Forget the clever colorful packages the processed "product" comes in and be 100% honest to yourself about what it really is.<br><br>
Now, if liquids extracted from nonconsenting Animals bodies still makes your mouth water, I guess it's going to be awfully tough.<br><br>
The only tough thing for me , was to continue eating it, after being more and more honest about what it exactly is, and *Who* it came from. It got to the point with me that instead of thinking "dairy is from cows", I would have "dairy" in front of me and think about the particular Individual *victim* that bodily secretion came from.
 

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Try, try, try again. That's the only thing that worked for me!<br><br>
Dairy can be insanely addictive, and even knowing all the reasons to ditch it doesn't magically make that addiction go away, I feel where you're coming from.<br><br>
Like with any addiction the only thing you can do is be <i>stubborn.</i> Make up your mind this is going to happen and then don't give up. I quit smoking years ago too and it was the same bullheadedness that got me through that, every time you slip up you just gotta start fresh and remind yourself of why you don't want to consume dairy anymore. The longer you go not eating dairy except for the occasional slip the more normal not eating it seems to the point where being vegan is what feels natural.<br><br>
Watching or rewatching videos like Earthlings or Meet Your Meat is a great way to strengthen your resolve too. I ended up thinking about dairy cows bellowing for their calves and swollen udders every time I saw a piece of cheese, not exactly appetizing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:"><br><br>
Replacements and comfort food are great too, it's not all about willpower. Coconut milk ice cream is absolutely delicious, and I love vanilla Almond Breeze to drink or with my cereal or coffee, plus there's a whole slew of other great vegan products out there to try. Rice milk chocolate, Daiya cheese, Tofutti, get out there and experiment!<br><br>
I am a pretty self indulgent person without a lot of self control, it took me years to ditch dairy completely. If I can do it, anyone can!<br><br>
And an awesome thing to remember about addictions is that once you truly break them they don't have power over you any more. When the dairy is physically out of your system and you have stopped thinking of it as food and started seeing it as a product of suffering it stops being something you crave at all. I used to LOVE cheese, now I think it smells like feet. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I was a HUGE dairy and egg lover before I went vegan, and I ate lots of both when I went vegetarian. I realize now that the craving for dairy is from the caseinmorphine (even high concentrates can be found in cheese), which insures the infants crave the nutrition intake from the mother's milk (this is true for human milk as well).<br><br>
When I finally went vegan, I almost had no choice. A few months after going vegetarian, I was experimenting in cutting back dairy. The most amount of dairy I consumed was milk in my cereal in the morning and at night, and 2 or more glasses throughout the day. I discovered rice milk, and used that in my cereals instead, and stopped drinking milk for a snack in the day. I was still eating cheese meals here and there, but after a few months I started to feel sick. It took a few weeks till I realize every time I ate a meal that contained some form of dairy, I was reacting badly to it. From cutting back my dairy intake to almost nothing, I had reverted to being allergic to it like I was in my youth. It was then that I decided to cut it out all together, and at the same time stopped eating egg, and therefore I went vegan.<br><br>
I never was tempted with any diary since then, because I know I would feel very very sick if I ate it. There has been a time when I accidentally ate something with dairy in it, and boy, it was the worst sort of pain ever.
 

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You should keep avocados and hummus on hand, they'll have that same fatty fullness that you're looking for with dairy. Also nuts and nut butters. Start planning menus and shop based on the pre planned menus, don't go shopping when you're hungry and don't vary from your premade shopping list. Eat regularly, if you keep yourself full with the foods that you're trying to eat you won't have as many opportunities to slip up with impulse snacks.
 

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Good for you to want to eliminate dairy from your diet. I struggled with accomplishing this for several years after becoming vegetarian. I was intimidated and overwhelmed by how difficult it seemed to do; I mean, eggs and cheese are everywhere and seem to be in just about everything, and, oh yeah, I really happened to like the taste of cheese. Turns out, though, that it was not nearly as hard as I imagined it would be. Once I made the decision to give them up, I just reminded myself of the evils perpetrated by the dairy industry so that I would stay on track.<br><br>
In restaurants, I ask if I am not sure about what's in a dish. When I am not confident that the server knows what <i>vegan</i> means, I mention that I am allergic to eggs and dairy. Sadly, many restaurant people tend to honor the allergy requests more than the ethical choice requests (probably something to do with fear of litigation). More and more restaurants, however, are becoming aware of veganism and trying to provide options; sometimes, you just have to ask.<br><br>
For foods that I prepare, it's much easier. There are plenty of baking and cooking substitutes for eggs - check out <a href="http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/food/recipes/egg-free.aspx" target="_blank">Vegan Society page</a> for suggestions. For cheese, avocados and hummus are excellent suggestions. I have also found that adding sun-dried tomatoes or olives to certain dishes provides the saltiness and pzazz (is there such a taste bud) that I formerly got from cheese. I don't find myself using cheese substitutes; most of them are terribly unsatisfying. (The one exception is Daiya cheese which my neighborhood pizzeria uses for it's tasty vegan pizzas; I've never cooked with it, though.)<br><br>
Good luck with your efforts. Don't get down-hearted if you slip up occasionally, it gets easier over time. I have been vegan for 4+ years now, and I don't really miss cheese at all.
 

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I have the blessing of never gotten addicted to dairy because my mom didn't like it, and therefore didn't buy it. However, I noticed some great alternatives are the ones make from nuts/seeds (like milk) and/or coconuts, for the creamier things (like ice cream). You can pretty much use those as a sub for dairy based soups, sauces, dressings, creams, etc.
 

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Its a really bad excuse but I live with an omni, my family and friends are omni. Im finding it really difficult to switch to dairy free, we use dairy free butter, and I have dairy free cream and icecream but milk is my downfall...I buy it for him and im so used to the way it makes things taste (tea/ceral etcetc) that its hard to use the Soy stuff as it tastes so different. I feel weak when I go back to the cows milk. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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It was never a tough choice becoming Vegan. When you see how animals are treated inhumanely to generate profits, poison the population because they themselves are poisoned during their genetically modified lives. That was never the original concept and intention of how things should have been. Plus the key factor for me is that my own biological makeup is not that of a carnivore. My anatomy is that of a Herbivore. So it didn't take much convincing for me.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>LinLin</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2901818"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Hi, I'm new to the forum and hoping for support and advice for getting closer to being vegan. A vegetarian for over 10 years now, I love the idea of being vegan and know so many reasons to do it. My head is convinced, but my body rebels!<br><br>
I easily crave the tastes and the feeling of fullness of dairy. I've tried cutting out dairy in the past but just haven't been able to do it. Milk, yogurt, cheese, butter... I can give any one up at a time, sometimes two, but not all of them.<br><br>
If you had a similar experience, what helped you make the transition successfully? Please, I'm looking for supportive suggestions of what actually worked for you.<br><br>
Thanks in advance,<br><br>
LinLin</div>
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My diet as an omnivore was very restricted, and I had trouble eating vegetables without vomiting, or feeling very ill. My body simply didn't recognise them. For this reason, I went vegetarian for a month, then vegan for one day a week, for another month. Then two days, three days, etc, ending up as a vegan 24/7 from January. This allowed me to come up with new meals, and stretch my creativity, without actually starving myself.<br><br>
I also told myself that I'd only try to be vegan for one year, 2011, and after that, all bets were off. That helped me a lot, mentally, since it's more a matter of temporarily resisting, rather than telling myself that I'd *never* have certain things again. At this point, I can't imagine going back, but telling myself it was an option really helped.<br><br>
I also found that I had two weeks or so in which I craved cheese, before the addiction was broken. Since then, I haven't missed it.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>.Goth-Alice.</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2904416"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Its a really bad excuse but I live with an omni, my family and friends are omni. Im finding it really difficult to switch to dairy free, we use dairy free butter, and I have dairy free cream and icecream but milk is my downfall...I buy it for him and im so used to the way it makes things taste (tea/ceral etcetc) that its hard to use the Soy stuff as it tastes so different. I feel weak when I go back to the cows milk. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Perhaps it's worth trying rice milk? It tastes much nicer than soy milk. Or coconut milk, for the thickness.
 

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Ive tried rice, oat and various brands of soy.<br>
Im not sure coconut milk is readily available in UK...and I dont like coconut much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>.Goth-Alice.</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2904554"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Ive tried rice, oat and various brands of soy.<br>
Im not sure coconut milk is readily available in UK...and I dont like coconut much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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It is, you can get it in tins from any supermarket.<br><br>
No, I don't either.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br>
I do like Emilie Autumn though.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Hmm. Never seen it up north...bt then again I wasnt really looking for it...<br>
Emilie is love <3 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 
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