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I want to become Prime Minister, but I don't want to get companies to help me if they're either cruel or are going to decide the policies for me (as seems to happen with the "Big 3" political parties)... so how can I make enough money to advertise enough to have a fair chance of winning the next election? Any ideas?
 

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Become a pirate. I've always wanted to be a pirate.
 

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Become a pirate. I've always wanted to be a pirate.</div>
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Thanks for your very serious and helpful reply <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Here's mine: <a href="http://www.venganza.org/" target="_blank">http://www.venganza.org/</a> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'd vote for a pirate. And, as things go, there are more pirates* today than prime ministers so you definitely have a better chance of being the former than the latter. Although, of course, to be both would be a coup to be remembered.<br><br><br><br>
*A member of the crew of a ship that does not possess a commission from a sovereign nation. A ship or a member of the crew of a ship that is not registered (commissioned) with any sovereign nation. More of them out there than you'd think.<br><br><br><br>
ETA: That's not even taking into account software, music, video and game piracy! Just piracy on the high seas.
 

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I'd vote for a pirate. And, as things go, there are more pirates* today than prime ministers so you definitely have a better chance of being the former than the latter. Although, of course, to be both would be a coup to be remembered.<br><br><br><br>
*A member of the crew of a ship that does not possess a commission from a sovereign nation. A ship or a member of the crew of a ship that is not registered (commissioned) with any sovereign nation. More of them out there than you'd think.<br><br><br><br>
ETA: That's not even taking into account software, music, video and game piracy! Just piracy on the high seas.</div>
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If I can afford to advertise as much as the Big Three parties, then I'll have just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected as them.
 

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I want to become Prime Minister, but I don't want to get companies to help me if they're either cruel or are going to decide the policies for me (as seems to happen with the "Big 3" political parties)... so how can I make enough money to advertise enough to have a fair chance of winning the next election? Any ideas?</div>
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You raise money by the subscriptions and donations of party members and supporters, as all the other parties do. And/or by approaching ethically sound companies for donations.
 

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If I can afford to advertise as much as the Big Three parties, then I'll have just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected as them.</div>
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No you won't.
 

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No you won't.</div>
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Yes I will.
 

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Yes I will.</div>
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Oh no you won't. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br>
Seriously... do you think money is the only thing governing your chances of getting elected? Then there's the minor detail that we don't actually elect prime ministers in this country... we elect MPs. To become Prime Minister, you have to be able to command a parliamentary majority and be invited to form a government by the monarch.
 

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To become Prime Minister, you have to be able to command a parliamentary majority and be invited to form a government by the monarch.</div>
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You have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_butterfly" target="_blank"><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">butterflies</span></b></a> inviting people to form governments in your country? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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Oh no you won't. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br>
Seriously... do you think money is the only thing governing your chances of getting elected? Then there's the minor detail that we don't actually elect prime ministers in this country... we elect MPs. To become Prime Minister, you have to be able to command a parliamentary majority and be invited to form a government by the monarch.</div>
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woo pantomime!<br><br><br><br>
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No, I don't think money is the only thing governing my chances of getting elected. But it certainly helps - it allows for more publicity so more chance of voters. Of course it's important to have a decent set of policies too.<br><br><br><br>
We may not in legal terms elect a Prime Minister but we elect a political party based on what the leader of that party is telling us - then when the party wins, that leader is usually the Prime Minister.<br><br><br><br>
I can't remember who off the top of my head but I'm sure there was one Prime Minister who didn't have a parliamentary majority... this did make it difficult for some laws to get through, but it would be counter-productive to the other parties if they kept blocking laws for no reason other than they didn't like the main party. In addition, some people already want to be part of my political party and I intend to get more people. The invitation to become a government is basically just procedure now, as many years ago the rights of parliament over the moarch were asserted. If a certain party is voted for by enough of the population, they will become the new government. Theoretically the Queen could use her royal prerogative to prevent those elected from becoming a new government, but that's highly unlikely. It's like the right to refuse Royal Assent to a law (making it unenforcable) - the right has never been formally removed, but it's now seen as simply a procedure and hasn't been used for a long, long time.
 

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We may not in legal terms elect a Prime Minister but we elect a political party based on what the leader of that party is telling us - then when the party wins, that leader is usually the Prime Minister.</div>
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I know. But my point is, you haven't got a party. You're talking about becoming PM - without a party, it can't be done.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I can't remember who off the top of my head but I'm sure there was one Prime Minister who didn't have a parliamentary majority...</div>
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That's always a possibility. In a hung parliament, no single party commands a majority. Traditionally, two parties form a coalition government, and the leader of the larger party becomes PM, granting cabinet seats to members of the smaller party. However, if no two parties can reach agreement, then one of two things take place - the leader of the larger party will be invited to form a minority government, or parliament will be dissolved and another election held.
 

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I know. But my point is, you haven't got a party. You're talking about becoming PM - without a party, it can't be done...</div>
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I'm going to have a party formed though.
 

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I'm going to have a party formed though.</div>
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Which brings us back to your earlier assertion:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">If I can afford to advertise as much as the Big Three parties, then I'll have just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected as them.<br></div>
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Money alone does not determine your chance of becoming elected. Many political parties have fielded candidates across the entire country with zero electoral success. What leads you to believe that your attempt will be any different?
 

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If I can afford to advertise as much as the Big Three parties, then I'll have just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected as them.</div>
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The Labour Party was formed in 1893 and didn't win a General Election until 1945. The Liberals haven't won one since 1916. No other party outside of the "Big Three" has ever come close, despite the abundance of fringe parties currently and in the past. Why then, do you consider that you have "just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected", when you don't even have a party; you have no members; and only a rough draft of a partial manifesto with no clear indication of how you'd implement your policies?<br><br><br><br>
What experience and political credentials do you have that you could be the next Prime Minister and lead this country in two years time?
 

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Which brings us back to your earlier assertion:<br><br><br><br>
Money alone does not determine your chance of becoming elected. Many political parties have fielded candidates across the entire country with zero electoral success. What leads you to believe that your attempt will be any different?</div>
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Because money is a factor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people want a Prime Minister who actually cares about making the country better, and who hasn't lied several times already to the public. A number of small parties seem to meet this criteria but don't have the money to advertise enough apparently, so people see mostly adverts from the Big 3 and vote for one of them.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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The Labour Party was formed in 1893 and didn't win a General Election until 1945. The Liberals haven't won one since 1916. No other party outside of the "Big Three" has ever come close, despite the abundance of fringe parties currently and in the past. Why then, do you consider that you have "just as good a chance (if not better) of being elected", when you don't even have a party; you have no members; and only a rough draft of a partial manifesto with no clear indication of how you'd implement your policies?<br><br><br><br>
What experience and political credentials do you have that you could be the next Prime Minister and lead this country in two years time?</div>
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I will have a party, and will have a manifesto as you describe - it will be on my website once the party has been formed. As will the answer to your last question <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Have you thought of overthrowing the government and monarchy in a (non-violent) military coup?<br><br><br><br>
veg*ns of the world unite!!<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Or you could join one of the existing major political parties, rise to the top and do it that way?
 

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I will have a party, and will have a manifesto as you describe - it will be on my website once the party has been formed. As will the answer to your last question <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Why not take over as leader of an existing party? <a href="http://www.omrlp.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0000FF;">This one</span></a> could use a charismatic leader, since the original one is no longer with us. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Why not take over as leader of an existing party? <a href="http://www.omrlp.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0000FF;">This one</span></a> could use a charismatic leader, since the original one is no longer with us. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Yay! I'm with Bof on that one! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 
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