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I do use it. I have wanted to do a little more reading on this but I haven't read anything to date that leads me to believe that the bees suffer. I've sometimes wondered if they suffered because we take away the fruits of their labor, but I don't think I believe that they do. I would be interested to know if anyone else has additional information.
I don't use it bc I don't like it. I figure, if there is suffering for the bees, I have been helping them a long time by not liking honey, so I try not to worry about small amounts in processed food I buy. If there is enough in something for me to taste it, I won't like it anyway.
Honey is not vegan, therefore I do not use it. It is an animal product. Also the bees are harmed when the honey is harvested. Even the most careful of bee keepers cannot avoid hurting and killing bees in taking the honey. Also there are scrapers on the sides of the hives to remove the pollen from the bees legs as they enter the hive, sometimes the bees legs are pulled off in the process. Honey is made by the bees for their winter food. when the honey is taken it is replaced by a plain sugar syrup that does not contain the vital nutrients that the bees need. Bees help humans by pollinating our crops. It is not right for us to steal their food. That is why I no longer use honey.
I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...
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I do use it. we have some of the best honey in the world here. I think about the bees that have suffered (and died) to bring me this exquisite food, and I am saddened, but I try to be grateful and appreciative. Maybe not good enough...<br><br><br><br>
I almost wish my SS giftee wasn't a strict vegan, because there's a rare white Hawaiian honey from lehua flowers that is absolutely out of this world!
I almost wish my SS giftee wasn't a strict vegan, because there's a rare white Hawaiian honey from lehua flowers that is absolutely out of this world!
Here's why I don't use honey:<br><br><a href="http://www174.pair.com/birdland/Breeding/IItech.html" target="_blank">http://www174.pair.com/birdland/Breeding/IItech.html</a><br><br><br><br>
They crush the head of the drone bees, which stimulates them to ejaculate, then they collect the semen and artificially inseminate the queen.<br><br><br><br>
Also, it takes one bee an entire lifetime to make one teaspoon of honey.
They crush the head of the drone bees, which stimulates them to ejaculate, then they collect the semen and artificially inseminate the queen.<br><br><br><br>
Also, it takes one bee an entire lifetime to make one teaspoon of honey.
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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Well, besides being an animal product, honey is essentially bee vomit (correct me if I'm wrong), and (to most people) the idea of consuming another animal's vomit is just plain gross. Would you eat pig vomit?<br><br><br><br>
I hate how honey is put in all these little things that don't really need it. I swear, I think the stores do it just to piss me (and other vegans) off.
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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Well, besides being an animal product, honey is essentially bee vomit (correct me if I'm wrong), and (to most people) the idea of consuming another animal's vomit is just plain gross. Would you eat pig vomit?<br><br><br><br>
I hate how honey is put in all these little things that don't really need it. I swear, I think the stores do it just to piss me (and other vegans) off.
i don't use it/ eat it. i think that was one of the last things that i phased out when i became vegan. i don't use it for all the reasons listed. no need to repeat them.<br><br><br><br>
i do have some chapstick that has beeswax in it though. i'm not happy about it and don't really use it. i bought it and then realized it had beeswax. i hate false advertising but i should have removed the sticker to see the 'bee' part of wax. damn me.
i do have some chapstick that has beeswax in it though. i'm not happy about it and don't really use it. i bought it and then realized it had beeswax. i hate false advertising but i should have removed the sticker to see the 'bee' part of wax. damn me.
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by FishAreCool</i><br><br><b>Would you eat pig vomit?</b></div>
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Point well noted, but the fact of the matter is that pig vomit is gross, and honey (to me) is not. I'm sure if I found pig vomit appealing then yes, I would eat it.
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by FishAreCool</i><br><br><b>Would you eat pig vomit?</b></div>
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Point well noted, but the fact of the matter is that pig vomit is gross, and honey (to me) is not. I'm sure if I found pig vomit appealing then yes, I would eat it.
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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um, that's just flat out not true.<br><br><br><br>
your body treats all sugar the same way, no matter what form it comes in.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9875.html" target="_blank">http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9875.html</a>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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um, that's just flat out not true.<br><br><br><br>
your body treats all sugar the same way, no matter what form it comes in.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9875.html" target="_blank">http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9875.html</a>
also, it should be noted that most of the honey sold on the market isn't raw and unrefined. it all has to be pasteurized to be considered safe for human consumption. even then, you aren't supposed to give it to babies, because it can carry and spread botchulism.
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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Well, as a vegan, I don't put vegan objections aside. In much the same way, if I raised the vegan arguments against eating meat, I wouldn't be able to put those aside to give you additional arguments against eating meat since the arguments I have to not do so would already have been stated.<br><br><br><br>
There's a lot of info about the honey issue on the internet. Some of this info has been presented to you here. I don't understand what answer it is that you're looking for since you've already gotten several.
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Max Power</i><br><br><b>I'm repeating myself, but why NOT use honey?<br><br><br><br>
Vegan objections aside (and of course, that's cool) but other than that, why NOT use honey??? It's SOOOOOOO much healthier than refined sugar.<br><br><br><br>
Unrefined, pure, straight-from-the-cane sugar? Sure, no problem...</b></div>
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Well, as a vegan, I don't put vegan objections aside. In much the same way, if I raised the vegan arguments against eating meat, I wouldn't be able to put those aside to give you additional arguments against eating meat since the arguments I have to not do so would already have been stated.<br><br><br><br>
There's a lot of info about the honey issue on the internet. Some of this info has been presented to you here. I don't understand what answer it is that you're looking for since you've already gotten several.
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br>
also, it should be noted that most of the honey sold on the market isn't raw and unrefined. it all has to be pasteurized to be considered safe for human consumption.</div>
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my apologies, this was misinformation. the honey that is pasteurized is pasturized to remove some of the water content to increase shelf life. not for concern for public health.
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Kreeli</i><br><br>
also, it should be noted that most of the honey sold on the market isn't raw and unrefined. it all has to be pasteurized to be considered safe for human consumption.</div>
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my apologies, this was misinformation. the honey that is pasteurized is pasturized to remove some of the water content to increase shelf life. not for concern for public health.
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I don't because everything else aside I can live easily without it. There is maple syrup, frutose and other types of more natural sugars I can eat. Plus I don;t have much of a sweet tooth and don't need really sweet food.
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I'm going vegan the slow way, and what I'm trying to do right now is eat vegan food three days a week (Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday) and lacto-ovo foods the other four days. I informed my family of this yesterday. They don't understand at all, but I haven't gotten any ridicule. Except... this morning my mom insisted that her homemade bread was vegan. I said, "Mom, I love your bread, but it's technically not vegan. It has honey in it." Then my mom made this "pshaw" sound that told me, "That's so ridiculous; how can my daughter buy into that?"<br><br><br><br>
Fact of the matter is, I HAVEN'T entirely "bought into" the idea that honey's not something I should want to eat. My parents are planning to get several beehives and put them somewhere on our 5 1/2 acres so that my mom can reduce the cane sugar she eats in favor of what she thinks is healthier honey. My grandparents and aunt and uncle already have 4-5 hives apiece, and they have repeatedly told me that no harm comes to the bees, and the bees make more honey than they can possibly use. (They told me that when I was simply asking for more info on honeymaking before I even considered veg*nism.)<br><br><br><br>
I looked at the link Kreeli provided on honey vs. sugar digestion, and I plan to email that link to my mom. I don't think she'll be convinced, though. Do any of you have links to more recognizable sources, ones that my mom might consider to be authoritative? YumHummus's link didn't work for me; the net filter my college has blocked the site.
Fact of the matter is, I HAVEN'T entirely "bought into" the idea that honey's not something I should want to eat. My parents are planning to get several beehives and put them somewhere on our 5 1/2 acres so that my mom can reduce the cane sugar she eats in favor of what she thinks is healthier honey. My grandparents and aunt and uncle already have 4-5 hives apiece, and they have repeatedly told me that no harm comes to the bees, and the bees make more honey than they can possibly use. (They told me that when I was simply asking for more info on honeymaking before I even considered veg*nism.)<br><br><br><br>
I looked at the link Kreeli provided on honey vs. sugar digestion, and I plan to email that link to my mom. I don't think she'll be convinced, though. Do any of you have links to more recognizable sources, ones that my mom might consider to be authoritative? YumHummus's link didn't work for me; the net filter my college has blocked the site.
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<a href="http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm</a><br><br>
That page explains best why i don't consume honey. Besides the fact that i never cared for how it tastes.<br><br>
But then, if i was really hungry, i probably wouldn't hesitate to eat something containing honey. I don't get upset when i accidentally consume something containing honey.<br><br>
So in general, i avoid bee products but i don't worry much about them at the same time.<br><br><br><br>
I personally can't understand anyone who would prefer the flavor of honey over maple syrup anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="
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That page explains best why i don't consume honey. Besides the fact that i never cared for how it tastes.<br><br>
But then, if i was really hungry, i probably wouldn't hesitate to eat something containing honey. I don't get upset when i accidentally consume something containing honey.<br><br>
So in general, i avoid bee products but i don't worry much about them at the same time.<br><br><br><br>
I personally can't understand anyone who would prefer the flavor of honey over maple syrup anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="
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