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Even though I still think honey is, in some circumstances, a grey area in veganism, I personally have decided (as of two weeks ago) to completely eliminate it from my diet.<br><br><br><br>
I realised that I'd rather my money go towards agave farmers than beekeepers.<br><br><br><br>
Thank-you to everyone who tried to convince me.
 

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We beat another one into submission guys! Yay! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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the bees thank you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jenna</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Agave is yummy. I like the darker one better.</div>
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Me too. Dark, organic, and raw.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> That's super-de-duper! Agave > honey.<br><br><br><br>
I am very strict about my honey intake in that I never buy anything with honey or accept anything with honey unless I am absolutely famished and am putting myself at risk for starvation. However, I'm feeling pretty down because the only bread I can buy that does not include honey as an ingredient costs over four dollars at Henry's and bread is my staple food (I eat over two sandwiches a day, almond butter and jelly or vegenaise and carraway seed), my co-op with cheap honey-free bread is in another part of San Diego, and this morning I had to use Orowheat which, sadly, contains honey as an ingredient. I'm hoping to give some feedback to Henry's so that when I run out of bread, I won't have to empty my wallet to get animal-free buns!<br><br><br><br>
I dislike when veganism leads me to spend an excessive amount of money on things as trivial as getting something without honey, when I am also a proponent of voluntary simplicity and not letting my veganism get in the way of something as important as eating <i>something</i> for lunch. I think today was the first time I've eaten honey in a few months.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry about that rant! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hamster.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hamster:"> Congrats on seeing the light!
 

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Exo-Girl, I eat a lot of bread too. The commercial bread in my area (upstate New York) usually doesn't contain honey. I hope Henry's will take your suggestion and stock the economical honey-free bread.<br><br><br><br>
Have you tried making your own bread? But then again, I usually don't bake in warmer weather, and you mentioned San Diego...<br><br><br><br>
Anyway. The local commercial breads often are vegan, but they DO have a lot of salt- and like I said, I eat a lot of bread. I don't have a condition where salt could make me ill, but I make mine without salt. To save time, I usually bake 4 loaves and freeze some.<br><br><br><br>
OH- Lord Hillyer- congratulations!
 

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Way to go, Lord Hillyer! You done good! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tom</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
Anyway. The local commercial breads often are vegan, but they DO have a lot of salt- and like I said, I eat a lot of bread. I don't have a condition where salt could make me ill, but I make mine without salt. To save time, I usually bake 4 loaves and freeze some.<br></div>
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<br><span style="color:#008000;">That's strange- the last time I went to buy bread, I could only find one kind that didn't contain whey or honey. And that one kind was Wonder white bread, which is like eating a kleenex with a crust, imo.<br><br>
I basically don't eat bread much anymore. I use a tortilla or a wrap instead.</span>
 

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I'm not that adept at reading the sneakier label terms yet, but there are a number of inexpensive commercial breads that do not appear to contain either honey or whey. Freihofer's Stoneground 100% Whole Wheat is one; I'm not sure about Pepperidge Farm. However, as you pointed out, they're usually not very tasty, and/or the texture is unsatisfying.
 

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post retracted because this thread is about congratulating the OP not talking about honey/starvation.
 

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You should read about this starvation study that was done. Your behavior becomes irrational etc, etc, which I guess in the grade scheme of things makes sense. Your mindset really changes.<br><br><br><br>
Yes I think skipping a meal is the start of starvation but then I'm not a good example for this.<br><br>
After skipping one meal, I may fall asleep later that day. Two days worth of being unable to eat and then it takes a few days of heavy intense eating to get even low energy levels back.<br><br><br><br>
Then theres' people who do fasts for longer then that and they feel fine so *shrugs*.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>~Brandon</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">Wonder white bread, which is like eating a kleenex with a crust, imo.</span></div>
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I usually have a ton of those lying around after a bad cold. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sick:">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hamster.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hamster:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dancingbanana.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":nana:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/broccoli.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":bobo:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hamster.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hamster:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Lord Hillyer</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Even though I still think honey is, in some circumstances, a grey area in veganism, I personally have decided (as of two weeks ago) to completely eliminate it from my diet.<br><br><br><br>
I realised that I'd rather my money go towards agave farmers than beekeepers.<br><br><br><br>
Thank-you to everyone who tried to convince me.</div>
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It's good to see you posting again, LH. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jeezycreezy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"><br><br><br><br>
I usually have a ton of those lying around after a bad cold. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":sick:"></div>
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<br><br><br><span style="color:#008000;">*spits drink on monitor*<br><br><br><br>
Now that's a mental image, yup. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/worried.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":worried:"></span>
 

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