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Okay, I'm a vegan who abstains from ALL animal based products in regards to foods, plus excluding preservatives, colorings, sweeteneres etc. However, I <i>do</i> consume honey, which I honestly don't believe to be a true animal product. First off, it's very root origins are from flowers. Bees simply take nectar (composed of water and sucrose, a natural sugar), and split the sucrose into glucose and fructose, simpler sugars, also naturally found in fruits, primarily fructose. The enzyme bees use is called invertase. Furthermore, unlike normal animal products, it doesn't contain any cholesterol, fats of any kind (good or bad), hormones, animal remnants, or really anything that animal products contain. It does contain carbohydrates, sugar, and small levels of antioxidants, plus antiseptic agents which don't allow for bacteria breeding and can be used on wounds. As for the fear of botulism, that only results in infants under one year old when their stomach fluids are not yet acidic enough. However, once acidic and developed enough, botulinum spores are harmless to consume. By the way, botulinum spores are widespread all over the world and are a naturally occurring toxic substance. The only kind of honey to watch out for is honey termed by people as "Mad Honey". Mad honeys are very toxic honeys that can be lethal, and are derived from poisonous flowers. However, this is regulated so one needn't fear eating poisonous honey.
 

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Well, if you really want to argue the point -- and I am not going to end up eating honey from this, and I doubt you'll end up abstaining from honey for this.<br><br><br><br>
Bees are animals. It spends time in a bee's body and goes from being nectar to honey. (This portion makes it an animal product: not the nutritional composition.) Bees store honey for their food. We harvest bee's food for our own use and use it for our own food.<br><br><br><br>
However, there are many vegans here who consume honey, and I will not rip off your vegan badge for it. I will simply tell you I disagree. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
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I certainly see what you mean, but you're right, I'm staying on honey. Thanks for your input!! I hope I didn't sound like a newb to the boards by bringing it up. (though I am)
 

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<div class="quote-block">Bees simply take nectar (composed of water and sucrose, a natural sugar), and split the sucrose into glucose and fructose, simpler sugars, also naturally found in fruits, primarily fructose.</div>
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Oh, so you mean... they.. <b><i>produce</i></b> the honey?<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/idea2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":idea:"><br><br><br><br>
Sounds like a product to me!
 

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Well, honestly, I'm in it more for the health benefits anyway, and seeing as how honey appears to be the healthiest sugar source I know of, without any deaths resulting from it (in relation to the honey itself, not the botulinum spores or toxins of poisonous flowers). But, now that you mention it, they do produce honey I suppose. But in my view, I also believe it is religiously alright as people of the Bible had spoken of honey before in reference, if not in support.
 

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<div class="quote-block">First off, it's very root origins are from flowers. Bees simply take nectar (composed of water and sucrose, a natural sugar), and split the sucrose into glucose and fructose, simpler sugars, also naturally found in fruits, primarily fructose.</div>
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Using this logic you could argue that milk (or beef for that matter) is not an animal product because the cow simply converts grass and grain into milk and muscle.<br><br><br><br>
Are you hoping to convert people to eating honey? Why bother posting this?<br><br><br><br>
ETA: There have been numerous extended debates about honey here. Use the search function at the top of the page.
 

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Under that reasoning, You can say that milk is not an animal product because it is made by the cow eating grass and in the body it is transformed to milk.<br><br><br><br>
It is religiously all right to eat meat too according to the Christian Bible-- Christians dont have any food restrictions. By the way, have you ever eaten locusts?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Gita</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Under that reasoning, You can say that milk is not an animal product because it is made by the cow eating grass and in the body it is transformed to milk.</div>
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Haha, beat you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I also believe it is religiously alright as people of the Bible had spoken of honey before in reference, if not in support</div>
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Don't they also reference rape and murder in the Bible?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Blue Plastic Straw</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Haha, beat you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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Aw dammit, now I got brains all over me! I knew I should have stayed out of this thread.</div>
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maybe it was my breasts that exploded. i ferget. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 
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<div class="quote-block">maybe it was my breasts that exploded. i ferget.</div>
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whatever it was, you should rub some honey on whats left of it quicksmart so it doesn't get infected, its vegan, don'tcha know! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"> .... apparently
 

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Be nice, guys! Mr_Vegan is a newbie. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>froggythefrog</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Be nice, guys! Mr_Vegan is a newbie. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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who's being not nice?
 
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