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Okay, so, I'm about to go vegetarian and I need some wisdom from the more expirienced folks because I have got HUGE issues in my way. (warning...long read...grab a cup of tea and some crackers)<br><br><b>Issue 1: I love meat.</b><br>
Yeah, I'm a monster! A horrible, horrible, horrible- you get the picture. Ever since I was a kid - I LOVED meat. <b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">LOVED!</span></b> (note the all caps and bold letters underlined). I did not have a 'this is a piece of a carcass' or 'please don't eat me I'm an innocent animal' moment like a lot of people. Maybe that's horrible, but I just didn't - I see barbacued meat and I dribble, pupils dialating, primal instincts kicking in, the whole deal. -_-<br><br>
So I'm not one of those people who were never fond of meat in the first place - it's like my number one favourite thing to eat -___- I decided to go veg because of the ethical/environmental reasons (my health is pitch-perfect /knocks on wood/) so I need...whatever you guys can give me - encouragement, tips, meat substitute options, ways to go off meat, if possible...hit me with what you've got. -__-<br><br><b>Issue 2: I...hate a lot of veggies...</b><br>
Yeah. We might have a problem here. -___- Passionate meat eaters somehow do tend not to be huge fans of veggies, but with me it's extreme for some foods (like, gag-reflex kicking in extreme).<br><br>
This will not stop me, however! >:O My theory is - if you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything! But before I go starving myself for animal rights...what do you guys do to make veggies delish? OwO Spices, sauces, methods of cooking, what do you use?<br><br><b>Issue 3: Where I live...</b><br>
So I'm a child of a mixed marriage - dad's from the UK, fell in love with a Serbian lass, they got married, had me and moved to Serbia when I was a wee nipper.<br><br>
Serbs are...HUGE meat-eaters. Like, HUGE. No, you don't understand - HUUUUGE. No, TRUST me, you can't even imagine. It's like a culture round here. When I say huge, I don't just mean steaks and KFC buckets, I mean - family buys pig, slaughters it, roasts it whole and eats it whole for the holidays. -___- And these are not some rednecks from half-wild rural areas, no - normal everyday people from towns and cities with office jobs and everything.<br><br>
A lot of people don't even understand what a vegetarian IS. A friend of mine claimed to be one and then we went to a restaurant and she said to the waiter (loudly as anything): "HI, I'M A VEGETARIAN, YAH, DO YOU SERVE FISH?"<br><br>
True story.<br><br>
Issues I know I'll face once I...er...'come out' as a vegetarian: general scorn and accusations of being pretensious (don't really care about this one, move on), lack of vegetarian options...pretty much everywhere. I've started looking around and even the biggest supermarkets have limited selections of veggies and those that are kind of rare here are so expensive I'd need three swear words just to give you the right impression -___- I'm not rich...I'm a STUDENT. D:<br><br>
Uh...well, you guys can't really help me with this last one, but I needed to get it off my chest. ^___^ Just offer a nice word or so.<br><br>
OH, and of course I'll browse through the forums but give me...EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET THAT HELPED YOU IN ANY WAY. D: Recipies, websites, advice, encouragement, videos - and whatever in the world you think of.<br><br>
Thanks for reading this incredibly long thing that somehow turned out to be a semi-confession... (sorry T^T) ...but I really, really need some friends in this since I've got no one in RL to talk with about this. :3
 

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Maybe you can start out making grain/legume dishes and then move on to adding more vegetables to them? Those items should be cheap in bulk and provide the necessary calories. A good breakfast you can start with is a green smoothie with lots of fruit and maybe some spinach....get some nutrition in ya. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><a href="http://www.vegweb.com" target="_blank">www.vegweb.com</a> has a lot of recipes!<br><br>
Don't let yourself go hungry. Since you like the taste of meat.....if you get too hungry or calorie depleted and it's the only thing available, you might give in. Bring a snack with you!
 

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Aha! Thank you, I'm liking this website, especially the kids' section. ><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
And yeah, I'm planning to go into all of this step by step. I don't hate ALL veggies so I'll just kind of sneakily mix in the things I don't like so much with the things I love. And yeah, meat craving WILL be an issue...especially since you can smell barbecue round every corner around here. -___- I'll be strong...<br><br>
Except peppers. I will NEVER eat peppers. >_> EVIL.
 

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You can get used to liking foods! Used to hate broccoli and cauliflower and mushrooms, I can eat them these days. Even bananas, which I used to despise! And today I cooked and ate a lot of cabbage, which I couldn't stand for all my life. It's more than possible to readjust your tastebuds to new foods, trust me. Just give the food a lot of chances and chop it up really small in a dish at first. Broccoli isn't so daunting when it's just a few small pieces in a soup or a stirfry as compared to a big chunk of this cooked green monster veggie.
 

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I've been vegan for years, and I still share some of my meat-cooking tips with friends. I never tried to say that meat doesn't taste good. It really IS tasty. However, after looking into our "factory farmed" meat, it just seems gross... like eating a very delicious turd.<br><br>
Hang in there. Once I went a while without meat my taste buds actually changed. I'm now eating vegetables that I spent my whole life hating. Foods just taste different now. When I travel to visit my parents, I always get into the same argument when they see me eat something that they've always known to be a food that I hated.
 

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I'm one of those who never really liked meat anyway, so I can't help you much with #1.<br><br>
#2: Do you hate all veggies in all of their forms? What about salads and raw veggies? What about potatoes? What about incorporated into a dish, rather than as their own side-dish?<br><br>
#3: I studied for four months in Russia, which is similarly meat-centric. Fortunately, vegetarianism is becoming known there, but you are going to have to be very careful about going out to eat. Never assume that anyone knows what you mean by "vegetarian" or even "meat." (Another woman I know studied in Serbia, and her host family made her chicken soup thinking it was a "vegetarian" dish). What common foods or dishes are already vegetarian or at least almost vegetarian? Do you have access to things like pasta, rice, beans, etc...the staples of many Western vegetarian diets?
 

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You can get used to liking foods! Used to hate broccoli and cauliflower and mushrooms, I can eat them these days. Even bananas, which I used to despise! And today I cooked and ate a lot of cabbage, which I couldn't stand for all my life.</div>
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Really, you didn't like bananas? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> I never met a person who didn't like bananas. xD Well that's certainly good to hear, I was kind of counting on acquired taste. ^___^<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I've been vegan for years, and I still share some of my meat-cooking tips with friends. I never tried to say that meat doesn't taste good. It really IS tasty. However, after looking into our "factory farmed" meat, it just seems gross... like eating a very delicious turd.<br><br>
Hang in there. Once I went a while without meat my taste buds actually changed. I'm now eating vegetables that I spent my whole life hating. Foods just taste different now. When I travel to visit my parents, I always get into the same argument when they see me eat something that they've always known to be a food that I hated.</div>
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Ooooh, veganism is my ultimate goal, though it seems kind of impossible right now. I mean, my second favourite thing to eat are eggs and third is...milk. xD It's a long-term goal, though. :3 I'm supposed to be a conscous adult now, I can't ignore animal cruelty anymore and still claim to be an animal lover. >:3 Thanks for your advice, it's good to know it gets easier if you stick with it. ^___^<br><br>
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I'm one of those who never really liked meat anyway, so I can't help you much with #1.<br><br>
#2: Do you hate all veggies in all of their forms? What about salads and raw veggies? What about potatoes? What about incorporated into a dish, rather than as their own side-dish?<br><br>
#3: I studied for four months in Russia, which is similarly meat-centric. Fortunately, vegetarianism is becoming known there, but you are going to have to be very careful about going out to eat. Never assume that anyone knows what you mean by "vegetarian" or even "meat." (Another woman I know studied in Serbia, and her host family made her chicken soup thinking it was a "vegetarian" dish). What common foods or dishes are already vegetarian or at least almost vegetarian? Do you have access to things like pasta, rice, beans, etc...the staples of many Western vegetarian diets?</div>
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Oh, no, I don't hate all veggies. I'm great with beans, potatoes, spinach, peas, rice (risotto ftw!)...some veggies I love raw but can't stomach cooked (carrots, cabbage) others I love cooked but can't eat raw (garlic, onions, pickled cabbage...it's completely different from fresh cabbage! 0:<). And there are a lot of veggies that are commonly used all over the world, but I've never even tried them here. They're avaliable, we just don't use them. Broccoli pops to mind, brussel sprouts stuff like that. >_><br><br>
And yeah, pasta, rice and beans are great (my big hope ><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">) it's a little difficult to find wholewheat, though, mostly white flour products so I can't go too wild with pasta. ^___^ Bizarrely, I had to google oatmeal. o.0 We don't have it here. Not sold commercialy, anyway.<br><br>
I'm almost, AAAALMOST vegetarian right now. My mom sometimes buys and prepares meat so I have some so that it wouldn't go to waste, but I try to stick to fruit and vegetables most of the time. I eat eggs for breakfast and I avoid buying milk because I could drink gallons at once, I can't control myself. ^___^ Also I'm collecting recipies and researching vitamins and minerals daily required intake so I know how much of what to have, looking into energetic values and stocking up for when my folks go to their vacation in a week or so and I'm home alone. I'm going to secretly try going all-vegetarian, maybe even vegan for 20 days. :)<
 

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Heya!<br><br>
I too LOVED meat. I sure as heck didn't give it up because it tasted bad. It didn't, it tasted goddamn fantastic.<br><br>
But I like to consider myself a thoughtful and ethical person. So here I am, all meatless. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
And here are some things I did (and do) that helped me get and stay on an ethical path:<br><br>
1 - <b>Watch</b> <span style="color:#FF0000;"><b><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142#" target="_blank">Earthlings</a></b></span> -- I'm a very visual person, so this impacted me greatly. Beware, it's graphic and it's hard to watch. But it's worth it, in my opinion. It made resisting meat the simplest thing in the world for me. That link will take you to the free Google video of it. If you haven't watched it, I recommend taking the time to do so.<br><br>
2 - <b>Look at Delicious Veggie Food</b> -- Check out blogs that have luscious pictures of veg*n food. So I don't get into a LONG list, I'll give you two to start with. <a href="http://vegancrunk.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Vegan Crunk</a>, and <a href="http://vegandad.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Vegan Dad</a>. You can also visit our very own "<a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?115339-Food-Porn-Volume-2" target="_blank">Food Porn</a>" thread. Check out all the insanely yummy veg*n food we here at VeggieBoards are cooking up on a daily basis!<br><br>
3 - <b>Cookbooks</b> -- Get your veggie cooking ON! Remember when I said I was a visual creature? I really am. To the point where I will go and buy a ton of vegan cookbooks and only end up using the ones that have lots of pictures. I know I'm missing out on a lot, but there is just something so great about seeing how the food I prepare should look. I love <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FVegan-Yum-Decadent-Animal-Free-Entertaining%2Fdp%2F0757313809%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1306774243%26sr%3D8-1" target="_blank">Vegan Yum Yum</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FConscious-Cook-Delicious-Meatless-Recipes%2Fdp%2F0061874337%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fs%3Dbooks%26ie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1306774270%26sr%3D1-1" target="_blank">The Conscious Cook</a>.<br><br>
4 - <b>Educate Yourself</b> -- You're right, you will likely face a LOT of questions, and even some scorn and concern. Learn as much as you can about the health benefits of being veg*n, and how many organizations and doctors without veg*n agendas are still recommending plant based diets for people of all ages because of how healthy they are. Learn about the conditions animals face in the factory farming industries.<br><br>
5 - <b>Try Foods More Than Once</b> -- I know you said you plan on trying stuff more than once... But I'm still sharing this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> When I was little, my mother had a rule. We had to try a certain food 5 times before deciding if we liked it or not. If we tried it five times, on five different occasions, and we truly didn't enjoy it, we were allowed to say we didn't enjoy the food and we didn't have to eat it. I keep that rule with myself still. It can take a while for your tastebuds to get used to something. Heck, when I was little I ate some pretty gross food I wouldn't eat now, so tastes change. Don't quit trying things just because you didn't like them 5 years ago. Keep trying things. ALSO, and this is important, don't just try the thing at your own house. If it's zucchini, or eggplant, or tofu and you just plain hate it when you make it... Go try it prepared at a good restaurant. Maybe you're just preparing it wrong! Try it at home a few times, and made by a professional a few times before making up your mind. You might surprise yourself.<br><br>
6 - <b>ASK QUESTIONS!!!</b> -- You're going to have a lot of them. Ask us. Ask the internet. Ask a veg*n friend. We're all here to help.
 

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5 - <b>Try Foods More Than Once</b> -- I know you said you plan on trying stuff more than once... But I'm still sharing this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> When I was little, my mother had a rule. We had to try a certain food 5 times before deciding if we liked it or not. If we tried it five times, on five different occasions, and we truly didn't enjoy it, we were allowed to say we didn't enjoy the food and we didn't have to eat it. I keep that rule with myself still. It can take a while for your tastebuds to get used to something. Heck, when I was little I ate some pretty gross food I wouldn't eat now, so tastes change. Don't quit trying things just because you didn't like them 5 years ago. Keep trying things. ALSO, and this is important, don't just try the thing at your own house. If it's zucchini, or eggplant, or tofu and you just plain hate it when you make it... Go try it prepared at a good restaurant. Maybe you're just preparing it wrong! Try it at home a few times, and made by a professional a few times before making up your mind. You might surprise yourself.</div>
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This <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Try it in many different ways! I'm only a fan of tofu if it's prepared in certain ways, preferably by a real chef. Today I was overjoyed when the basic broiled tofu from the Veganomicon came out fantastic! Finally a perfect tofu recipe I can make at home!
 

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@Semicharmed ~ *whines* But can't we stay oblivious and eat delicious stuff forever? :<<br><br>
Muhahaha, of course not! xD Thanks for the great reply and the nice linkys - Imma try them all out soon. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> AND THEN I WILL BUG YOU WITH QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR IT! O: (nah, not really...well, maybe a bit xD) Thank you for taking the time to help. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
And btw, that's really interesting what you and Kjesta said about tofu because I did try soy products, as one of the most celebrated meat replacements and I HATED it. xD I know people who swear they can't taste the difference but I distinctly taste the soy...maybe I need some new spices or something...hmmm...TO GOOGLE! O:<
 

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I also loved the taste of meat. Really, when you're raised on something that becomes paramount to your daily diet, you're apt to like it!<br>
I didn't like knowing more and more how it came to be a food. Yes, most people do stay oblivious and eat it forever, but some, us, can't live with ourselves when it causes suffering- seen or not.<br>
I didn't do it overnight. For years I was "almost" vegetarian. That was too hypocritical, and for 2 years I haven't touched meat products.<br>
You change. Your diet is what you become used to, and that's not easy when you're alone with your choices.<br>
I hope you can find others in your school that feel like you. If not, come here and other veg sites often. As time goes on, you'll discover you're not alone.<br>
Soy can really be good and really bad. Tofu is one of my favorites, but not at first.<br>
Things I love about being vegan are the cleanliness of it. No more grease, or cross contamination. Simplicity-most meals are one pot, one bowl. Variety- I've never used spices and herbs as much. Consistency-when I cook beans or grains or veggies, they always taste as expected. Meat was never so reliable, and bad, tough, grisly meat was just the worst. Then of course, health, and the lightness and freedom I feel from eating food I believe civilised people should eat.<br>
Good luck, and keep it up! Check out the sections like "what I ate today" for tips.<br><br>
Love Totoro!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Heh... self control, man, self control.<br><br>
Think of it as a challenge. The human mind versus the instincts of nurture.<br><br>
I would say, though, it might help to get yourself involved in more ecological projects while you're going vegetarian - that way, you're not focusing solely on not eating meat, rather it's just part of a larger section of your life. Instead of thinking "I'm a vegetarian", it might help to think of it as "I'm greening up my lifestyle - vegetarianism just happens to be part of that."
 

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Well, I watched Earthlings...guess I'm crying myself to sleep tonight. ;_;<br><br>
@Silva ~ yeah, I know what you mean by 'almost vegetarian' - that's where I'm at now...mostly because I'm afraid people will laugh at me when I tell them. T_T Not because they're mean, but because it's ME, the biggest meat-lover anybody knows. ;_; Maybe I can just kind of quietly quit meat without telling anybody and no one will notice... OwO<br><br>
@imdead-goaway ~ ecological projects round here...hmm...we're not too strong in that department. -_- Eh, we'll see - baby steps. xD<br><br>
Thanks for the replies, guys - you're great! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Well, I watched Earthlings...guess I'm crying myself to sleep tonight. ;_;</div>
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Yeah... It's tough to watch. I cried hysterically. But it helps puts things in perspective, for me at least. Good for you for getting through it!<br><br>
And when you're faced with people laughing at you or anything... Just think about what you saw in that movie. Ask yourself, what would you rather do - deal with a little laughter, or contributing to that kind of cruelty?<br><br>
And there is no need to pretend you don't like meat. I make no secret of the fact that I loved the taste of meat. In fact, it's probably a more powerful statement that someone like you can still strive to give up meat. Because no matter how good it is, the ethical cost isn't worth it.
 

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great post Semicharmed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Thanks for linking to Earthlings.
 

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Yeah... It's tough to watch. I cried hysterically. But it helps puts things in perspective, for me at least. Good for you for getting through it!<br><br>
And when you're faced with people laughing at you or anything... Just think about what you saw in that movie. Ask yourself, what would you rather do - deal with a little laughter, or contributing to that kind of cruelty?<br><br>
And there is no need to pretend you don't like meat. I make no secret of the fact that I loved the taste of meat. In fact, it's probably a more powerful statement that someone like you can still strive to give up meat. Because no matter how good it is, the ethical cost isn't worth it.</div>
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Yeah, it was pretty visceral. Though I'm not squeamish I did crack emotionally in two places - the bit with the dog in the garbage truck and the bit with that fox that got skinned alive.<br><br>
Oh wait - three places! The dolphins thing. O_O I had no idea people even ate dolphins.<br><br>
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great post Semicharmed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Thanks for linking to Earthlings.</div>
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Yes, thank you. :) Can't say I enjoyed it, but I'm glad I saw it.
 

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Oh wait - three places! The dolphins thing. O_O I had no idea people even ate dolphins.<br></div>
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I'm guessing you haven't seen <a href="http://www.thecovemovie.com/" target="_blank">The Cove</a>, then. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I'm guessing you haven't seen <a href="http://www.thecovemovie.com/" target="_blank">The Cove</a>, then. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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Oh god no... ;_; Why you do this to me? D: Oh, well...I'll watch it a little later, I need time to recover first. :<<br><br>
Ohohoh! I just told my mom and she didn't laugh! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> ...much. ;_; Anyway - I'm going lacto-ovo vegetarian starting today! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> /dances/
 

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Hahaha sorry. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"> However that one isn't about veg*nism, but you could tie it into it many ways.<br>
And that's great to hear! Best of luck on your veg*nism journey. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 
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