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Hills Science Diet website states their policy but I had a few other questions. Here is their reply, I thought some of you would be interested:<br><br><br><br>
Dear Amy,<br><br><br><br>
Thank you for taking the time to send us your questions regarding the<br><br>
treatment of our dogs and cats. We appreciate this opportunity to<br><br>
address your questions because we take the care and welfare of our pet<br><br>
partners very seriously and we go to great lengths to ensure they are treated<br><br>
properly.<br><br><br><br>
In your email, you asked if we perform surgical procedures on any<br><br>
animals for research purposes. We are happy to say the answer to that<br><br>
question is no. Hill's does not perform surgical or invasive procedures for<br><br>
research purposes.<br><br><br><br>
At our Pet Nutrition Center, we only conduct nutritional feeding<br><br>
studies. We study how a nutrient is absorbed, distributed, stored, used and<br><br>
released by a dogs or cats body. We only use research methods that are<br><br>
the veterinary equivalent of human nutritional or medical studies.<br><br>
Hills does not support or conduct studies that cause pain or hurt the dogs<br><br>
or cats. This is based on the belief that what is painful to humans is<br><br>
also painful to dogs and cats.<br><br><br><br>
The cats and dogs living at our Pet Nutrition Center enjoy a<br><br>
comfortable and loving environment complete with beds and toys to play with. They<br><br>
receive regular exercise and social interaction with other dogs and<br><br>
cats as well as with people who care deeply about them. They are groomed<br><br>
regularly and receive exceptional veterinary care.<br><br><br><br>
We share in your commitment to the humane treatment of our pet partners<br><br>
as I, too, am a cat owner. Thank you again for the opportunity to<br><br>
respond to your concerns. We appreciate you as a valued consumer.<br><br><br><br>
We hope this information has been helpful. Please feel free to contact<br><br>
our Consumer Affairs department if you have any further questions or<br><br>
concerns.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Sincerely,<br><br><br><br>
Lori Smith<br><br>
Consumer Affairs<br><br>
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Almost makes me want to buy it for my dogs, but I hear a lot about companies lieing about what they do and don't do because they aren't obligated by law to tell the truth. Plus the issue of what animal and what parts of that animal (shiver) are in the food just creeps the hell outta me.
 

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For any pet owners out there, keep in mind that Science Diet is actually not really a good quality food. It might be the best brand you'll find in supermarkets, but pets really deserve better than this. First you should always avoid pet food that contains any type of meat "by-products", and Science Diet does contain mystery by-products, often in the first couple ingredients. Second, it's important to pay attention to the first several ingredients in the product because ingredients are listed by weight, and in several Science Diet products Corn is the first ingredient. Corn really has no place in dog food except as a filler. You want to see some type of meat "meal" which is higher in protein and better quality. Whole Dog Journal rates dog food annually and Science Diet never makes their cut for the best dog food brands. Do a search for the February 2006 issue of Whole Dog Journal and you can read what brands did make the cut. Many are organic, some are vegetarian, but all are healthy and good for your dogs.
 

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That is good to know kpickell but my cats are doing very well on the Sensitive Stomach Science Diet...<br><br><br><br>
I did a little research to find the list he kpickell is talking about and this seems to be it!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.merlinspetshop.com/index.php?main_page=infopages&pages_id=3" target="_blank">http://www.merlinspetshop.com/index....ges&pages_id=3</a><br><br><br><br>
You can't view the Whole Dog Journal without a subscription.
 

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Also, for cat food ratings I just found this:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.consumersearch.com/www/family/cat-food/comparisonchart.html" target="_blank">http://www.consumersearch.com/www/fa...isonchart.html</a><br><br><br><br>
However, it lists the evil IAMS which is known for unethecial animal testing and Purina ONE which my vet said is very low quality. The natural balance canned and Innova dry look really good though with 10 ingredients or less.
 

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I wish the avg dog/cat food-buying person knew a little bit more about the most common dog/cat food ingredients. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:">
 

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That is good to know kpickell but my cats are doing very well on the Sensitive Stomach Science Diet...<br><br><br><br>
I did a little research to find the list he kpickell is talking about and this seems to be it!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.merlinspetshop.com/index.php?main_page=infopages&pages_id=3" target="_blank">http://www.merlinspetshop.com/index....ges&pages_id=3</a><br><br><br><br>
You can't view the Whole Dog Journal without a subscription.</div>
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That's the 2005 list, the 2006 list is much more exhaustive, pretty much including any foods that are good rather than giving a top 10 list. You can read it in scanned format at <a href="http://forums.istorya.net/index.php?topic=67768.0" target="_blank">http://forums.istorya.net/index.php?topic=67768.0</a><br><br>
The included article tells how to determine if your own pet foods are good quality or not.
 

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Hills is the brand my clinic carries. A number of our staff members have had the opportunity to tour the production and research facilities in Kansas. The animals there are very well taken care of. Socialization and proper mental stimulation is a big priority of theirs.<br><br><br><br>
In regards to the quality of their food, this is how they've explained their use of corn and by-products to us: It is not the ingrediants that is the issue. It's the nutritional breakdown of the food itself. And they claim that according to their research, the nutritional quality of Hills food is superior to most other brands.<br><br><br><br>
All I can say is that all of my cats are on Hills medical diets. C/D tinned for Cassie, because she has interstitial cystitis, and T/D for the boys as a maintenance diet and to help keep their teeth clean. I am very happy with both products.
 

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As stated above i really urge everyone to research the food they feed they're animals. It's different if the animal has a serious medical condition and needs a diet that works for them ,but if your dog or cat(or any pet) is healthy and such please please look into better food than science diet. Just because a vet office uses the food does not mean it's the best out there. A brand that is ok and found at petco is called "Natural Balance" their holistic/all natural variety is very good and not to expensive.<br><br><br><br>
Mt rule of thumb is to never buy a food at the grocery store, never buy a food at petsmart or petco(there are one or two exceptions BUT i always check if it's being bought at a chain pet store throughly) and to always check the ingrediants. I always put the food down fast if there is any corn in there or any soy ingrediants(dogs cannot get any protein from soy like humans and jsut liek corn most dog food companies do it as a filler rather than a real protien source).<br><br><br><br>
A couple good brands are; Innova(I do not suggest getting innova evo, for most dogs it is jsut way to much protein), Timberwolf Organics, natural balance Holistic blend(dog food), Canidae(they have a feline version), and Eagle Pack holistic.
 

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I agree with you VeggieFerret. It's rather sad that PetSmart and PetCo don't sell very many good brands of pet food. I have found that Pet Supplies Plus sells several of the high end good quality brands, so that's where I buy all my pet foods (currently feeding Eagle Pack).
 

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Kpickell, same here. I really wish they sold better foods. Then people would be more willing and more exposed to them. But i guess we can only wish. I know Diamon's Pet Lover started to get into more chain-ish pet stores but now i will never ever reccommend there food after the huge recall problem they're still having problems with(for anyone who hasn't heard their food had a toxic level of chemicals that comes from old corn and so any of their food that corn in it that was fed to animals killed them. The sad part was they denied that the chemical was in their food whhen it was in high toxic levels, and they hand;t said anything about the toxic being in their food until AFTER animals started to have a reaction. I don't trust them anymore.)<br><br><br><br>
I go to petsmart for general pet supplies ,but for food i do the same as you. I forget the name of the place here ,but the owners and their friends take care of the store and NONE of their products or food gives money to the bad pet food companies. I feel confident that any person who is sent there will never be steered wrong into any bad food. They don't even carry Pet lover's and were very knowledgable about the toxin happening(a HUUGE plus for them!!). I feel great supporting their store.(And they have my favorite dog canned food, Merricks. It is absolute real chunks of good meat for the puppers(My sister thought it was soup LOL)) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Cureently i'm feeding Nature's Recipe but i'm changing this week because it was really meant just to keep till i could get a better food and it seems they had a recall and that makes me nervous. I think i'm going to try innova or canidae this time. I was feeding timberwofl organics until i found out that it was made at Diamonds food plants. That makes me nervous and jsut means i'm supporting Diamond which i'll never do again. It really is a great food though ,but not only would i be supporting diamond they bumped the price up to over 50 dollars a bag. Just to much for that food. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 
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