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I live in Southern California, I'm an 18 year old male college student, I'm an anti-capitalist and I've been a vegan for over two years. I'm looking forward to having some good discussions and maybe sharing some of my yummy recipes!
 

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I could use some recipes <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> welcome!
 

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Welcome, fellow vegan and anti-capitalist! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> You more of a state socialist or an anarchist? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Libertarian Socialist. I considered myself to be an Anarcho Communist for a while but now I take bits and pieces from different ideologies that make sense to me. Syndicalism, Left Communism, [Revolutionary] Democratic Socialism, Council Communism etc. I don't agree with every aspect of any of these ideologies though.<br><br>
I'd like to believe a Socialist state could work because it would properly make sure everyone has enough but I'm pretty damn skeptical about centralized government.<br><br>
I generally subscribe to Marxist economics although Kropotkin has been a big influence on me.<br><br>
I see you're an Anarchist. any suffix besides vegan? Communist, Mutualist, Syndicalist?<br><br>
(btw how did you know I'm not a fascist, seeing as they're anti capitalist too? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">)
 

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Hahaha, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br>
I've not done a whole lot of reading into the subject yet (sigh, all of life's distractions, and I'm kind of a slow reader <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">), but libertarian socialism / anarcho-communism appeal to me. I don't know exactly where I stand on what needs to happen and when (like whether the state can be used to bring about change, or whether real change will only occur once the state is abandoned/dissolved - though I think I lean towards the latter now, though I don't expect to see it in my own lifetime <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">).<br><br>
I'd also lean towards decentralization, completely if we're talking power, and partially if we're talking about the production and distribution of resources, because there's no arguing that centralization can make those things far more efficient. On the other hand, efficiency, in a post-scarcity (or potentially post-scarcity, depending on how you think of it) world, is not so much of a priority: we're living in an age where, thanks to technology, the fight to survive is no longer a necessary part of life, but something that is sustained by capitalism. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br>
If things were different, people could spend time hopping around from one "job" to another, learning new skills and crafts, etc. and it wouldn't matter that this isn't an efficient use of time and energy, because whatever needs wouldn't be provided for on account of everyone doing this, we could have machines provide for us. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Hahaha, and I've done it again. This is not the first time an introduction thread turns into a discussion about politics, economics, etc. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I used to be into Marxist economics like the labor theory of value, but after more research it starts to not make much sense anymore. I started a discussion here and got some good responses:<br><br><a href="http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/could-someone-please-explain-to-me-t22393.html" target="_blank">http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ne...me-t22393.html</a>
 

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No I appreciate the slightly off topic discussion kimberlily, seeing as I haven't found a politics sub forum on this site.<br><br>
I don't want to read that whole thread veg ath soc so could you sum up why you don't agree with the labor theory of value? I thought all modern economics were based on it.
 

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Okay, after re-reading it it wasn't that great, so I will site other sources.<br><br>
From wiki:
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<div class="quote-block">The “law” of diminishing marginal utility is said to explain the “paradox of water and diamonds”, most commonly associated with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith" target="_blank">Adam Smith</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility#cite_note-15" target="_blank">[16]</a> (though recognized by earlier thinkers).<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility#cite_note-16" target="_blank">[17]</a> Human beings cannot even survive without water, whereas diamonds are mere ornamentation or engraving bits. Yet water had a very low price, and diamonds a very high price, by any normal measure. Marginalists explained that it is the <i>marginal</i> usefulness of any given quantity that determines its price, rather than the usefulness of a <i>class</i> or of a <i>totality</i>. For most people, water was sufficiently abundant that the loss or gain of a gallon would withdraw or add only some very minor use if any; whereas diamonds were in much more restricted supply, so that the lost or gained use would be much greater.</div>
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<div class="quote-block"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:150%;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:larger;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:larger;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:larger;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:larger;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;"><span style="font-size:small;">The labor theory of value also fails to take into account changing consumer desires and the contextual nature of value. In a horse-and-buggy culture, horse-shoes are tremendously valuable commodities, but in a society without horses they are virtually useless. Similarly in a society with much leisure time, games and recreational facilities become important, but in a subsistence economy in which people must work nearly continuously just to stay alive, such things may actually have negative value.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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These are just two reasons but I will provide more tomorrow. If you think you can refute these go right ahead.
 

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I live in Southern California, I'm an 18 year old male college student, I'm an anti-capitalist and I've been a vegan for over two years. I'm looking forward to having some good discussions and maybe sharing some of my yummy recipes!</div>
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Welcome to VB! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hi.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hi:"> I'm in Southern California, too, in Santa Monica. What college are you attending? *just curious*
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Amy SF</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2978253"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Welcome to VB! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hi.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hi:"> I'm in Southern California, too, in Santa Monica. What college are you attending? *just curious*</div>
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It's a community college in North San Diego County. I highly doubt you've heard of it.
 
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