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Hi - I just learned that my dad is thinking of going on Atkins. He's in his early 50s and probably 35 pounds overweight. Heart disease runs in his family.<br><br><br><br>
I would like to give him some information about the dangers of Atkins, but I have to be careful that he doesn't think I'm just trying to talk him out of it because of my views on meat. The point I want to make to him is that losing weight is about eating a variety of healthy foods, controlling your portions and getting excercise, and not about eliminating entire nutrient groups from your diet (or loading up your plate with buttered steak!).<br><br><br><br>
Any literature or info websites you have would be greatly appreciated!
 

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I don't know any off the top of my head, but do a search on high-protein diet cons and I'm sure you'll find some. Things I can think of off the top of my head: kidney issues and stones, higher cholestrol (sp - it's late), severe dehydration, outrageous constipation and bowel movements that feel like you're pooping out a car, colon problems, increased chances of cancer of the colon, bowel, stomach, intestine if done over a long period.<br><br><br><br>
Atkin's diet is probably the worse diet ever imaginable for someone with a history of heart disease.<br><br><br><br>
Approach it like this: The heart assoications of Canada and the US both maintain the best way to look after yourself is to eat a varied diet rich in whole grains, vegetables and fruits. I know no one wants to hear this, but it is possible for an onmi to eat healthy and be in great health. Adding vegetables, fruits, grains along side his meat dishes will satisify both his body and his palete for meat.<br><br><br><br>
Also there is only one true way to lose weight and keep it off properly. Exercise moderately, eat well-rounded meals from the food groups, use lean meats and dairy (if applicable), use whole grains, eat legumes and nuts.<br><br><br><br>
The high protein meat diets are popular with people who want a quick fix without having to work at it. Well, if you want to be healthy, you have to make a commitment to your body to look after it and change your lifestyle.<br><br><br><br>
/em steps off her soapbox and burns it.
 

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I don't agree with the aktins diet.<br><br><br><br>
However, my dad was 150lbs overweight. Walking from the car to the house was considered exercise for him. He would breathe hard walking from the kitchen to the living room. His thoughts about diet was that of why do people watch what they eat, they only live once. His thoughts on exercise was that of why do people tourture themselves. He always talked about how he was going to die when he was 55 just like his father and his fathers father. I think he was depressed (although he would never admit that to us) It was fairly obvious though the way he always talked about death.<br><br><br><br>
Then something changed. He went on the aktins diet 3 years ago and has lost about 130lbs on it. He has done a total overhaul on life. He has run two half marathons. He and I competed in our first triathlon last month. On Saturday we are running a 10k together. He enjoys golf now. He got back into SCUBA diving. We are training for the LA marathon in March. He dosen't beleive that he is going to die at 55. Anyways, I'm sure you get my drift on things....<br><br><br><br>
The change in him is amazing. When I was a kid, he would never go out with us and play baseball, etc. He used to watch TV. Its great to do things with him now. Although he did it through aktins, its great to have my father back. My brothers and I all love doing things with him now.<br><br><br><br>
He is beginning to change things though. He got a personal trainer at the gym and he realized that he can't eat all fat all the time. The last time we went out for breakfast together, he actually only ordered one egg and a fruit plate. A fruit plate! I haven't seen him eat fruit....EVER.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry, I know this doesn't help your cause (and now my finace wants to go on the diet and I don't want him too, despite my dads sucess story) I know not many people are this successful and while your dad is not as overweight as what my dad was, it could help him on the road to weight loss. Once my dad lost all that weight, he did adopt a better diet (and exercise plan) that has helped him keep it off.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe you should have your dad talk to a nutritionist before starting the diet?<br><br><br><br>
I dunno. I just know its nice not having to worry about my dads health all the time now. Its also nice not having to hear about how he is going to die and how he 'should drive his truck off of the overpass'.<br><br><br><br>
Although he did this with ways I disagreed with (and beleive me, I tried telling him over and over again how it wouldn't work) I am happy he did it. I also realize this might not get a good reception on a veggie site. I just wanted to share his sucess story with everyone and tell you about the great impact it had on his life and for the ones who love him.<br><br><br><br>
Edited to add: He has been to the doctor and he is in perfect health. No problems with cholestral or anything.
 

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PCRM, everyone's favourite M.D. group has a site that should help you (and your dad!):<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/" target="_blank">http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/</a><br><br><br><br>
Check the "Consumer Advisory" link on the right.
 

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A long time ago I was on the Atkins Diet for over 6 months (and I was very strict with myself). I lost weight - and ate like a pig (all animal products) - but it was really boring.<br><br>
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I will spend the rest of this life working off all the bad karma I racked up.........
 

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too much protein can have negative consequences on your levels of calcium.<br><br><br><br>
if anyone wants to loose weight or just feel better i would suggest the following dietary changes.<br><br>
- no sugar (NONE!)<br><br>
- few grains, breads, protein (tofu, eggs, meat) and other acidic foods (about 20% of diet)<br><br>
- eat a lot of vegetables, kale, chard, yams, seaweed, brocoli, whatever (veggies should be 80% of diet)<br><br><br><br>
this way of eating should just be natural i think.. just cut out the junk.
 

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My sister has gone on a high protien diet. I would just like to kick her for doing so...she's obese, and looking for any way out I know. But I couldn't convince her this summer of the rational of just eating healthy foods, enough calories at fairly regular intervals. And now yesterday I learned she has gone high protien. Makes me sad, and like you I really really don't know what to do. Don't want to preach to her, but man.
 

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check out all these opinions (epinions <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> )<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.epinions.com/well-Nutrition-Diets-All-Atkins_Diet/display_~reviews" target="_blank">http://www.epinions.com/well-Nutriti...splay_~reviews</a><br><br><br><br>
These were real people who used it. It's got an overall rating of 60% from 219 reaters. Keep in mind most of the people who gave it a 1 out of 5 stars (and there are a whole lot of 1 stars <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> ) are quite hateful of it's effects on them and no doubt would have given it a zero star if it was possible (1 is lowest you can give). So the true average rating is probably 40% or 50% approval rating <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Oh my God, I had the same exact situation! I found some anti-Atkins info through the American Medical Association website. They recommend a low-fat, high fiber diet, and they sound very official to dads who think vegetarianism is loopy. I also found an article through the AMA website put out by a non-profit organization called Physicians for Responsible Medicine (I think) that rated the healthfulness of different diet books. Atkins was listed at the bottom as being "unsafe." I wish I had links to give you, but I didn't save them. In any case, once my dad saw that the Atkins diet could lead to kidney stones (among other things), he decided against it. He's already had kidney stone attacks and bypass surgery, so the information I found for him really turned him off of the Atkins idea. Good luck!
 

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In other words, it might work (cause weight loss), or it might not.<br><br><br><br>
CaptainSwab's story was interesting, though. . .<br><br><br><br>
It's great to hear that he's trying to eat healthy, now.
 

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I tried the Atkins diet shortly before I went veg, so I can share my own experience with it.<br><br><br><br>
In the beginning, it was great. I had a ton of energy, lost five pounds right away, and got motivated to start excercising regularly. The euphoria lasted about a week or so, then things started going bad, real bad.<br><br><br><br>
Perhaps because of all the hormones in meat and dairy as the result of modern farming methods, I started getting REAL moody (I have a girl friend at work who is on a high protein diet, and I've noticed the same change in her). I've had menstrual problems since puberty, and they got ten times worse when I was on the Atkins program. The weight loss slowed down to nothing, I was constantly constipated, and I started feeling lethargic and ill. If you read Atkins, the sickness is actually supposed to be normal because you're lowering your blood sugar to a leval far below normal. Supposedly, it's supposed to even out when your body adjusts, but I couldn't handle it (it was horrible), so I switched to the Zone. I promptly gained back the seven or eight pounds and then some, and I continued to have severe female issues.<br><br><br><br>
Since I've become a vegetarian who consciously tries to limit animal products in my diet (no meat at all, and no dairy unless it's in bread when I eat out), my menstrual issues have pretty much completely disappeared, and my mood has evened out a ton. I have made no real effort to eat a "low fat" Vegan diet (I eat a lot of nut butter and avocado, for instance), and I've lost 9 pounds in two months. Most nutritianists will tell you that it isn't healthy to lose more than a pound a week, so I'm pretty much on schedule without much effort. And this is despite the fact that I quit smoking at the same time I went veg.<br><br><br><br>
I do yoga a couple of times a week, and I generally do something cardio like walking or tennis four or five days a week. So my experience is that the best way to lose weight is to eat less fat (no more animal products), eat a little less in general, eat more small meals instead of only two big meals, and stop eating big meals right before bedtime. And exercise moderately. Basically, if you really want to lose weight, you have to change your lifestyle instead of putting faith in a fad diet that is potentially very dangerous to your health in the longterm.<br><br><br><br>
I didn't become a vegetarian for the health benefits. I did it because it's the way I've wanted to be able to eat for a long time, and I finally came to a place where I was in a position to do it. But the "side effects" of a mostly Vegan diet certainly have been a pleasant surprise. On a side note, I have suffered from mild arthritis since I was 20, and that has completely gone away since I gave up dairy. Not being in pain is a great motivator to get out there and exercise; if it doesn't hurt, it's a lot easier to go out and play tennis or go for a hike or whatever.
 

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There was a pro-atkins article printed in the New york times magazine. It was very poorly done. Good thing is, it prompted some informative replies.<br><br><a href="http://www.cspinet.org/nah/11_02/bigfatlies.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cspinet.org/nah/11_02/bigfatlies.pdf</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/11/39536.htm?z=1671_00000_0000_rl_04" target="_blank">http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/11...000_0000_rl_04</a><br><br><br><br>
get the "Berkeley Wellness Letter" from your library- 11/02<br><br><br><br>
I think it is good when people lose weight and are successfully able to transfer to a healthier diet, like the story above. People do lose weight with atkins. But will they keep it off without destroying themselves? (and will they be able to endure the severe constipation, gout, bad breath, feeling ill, etc.)<br><br><br><br>
Whatever he decides, I agree he should get some professional advice.
 

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In my experience, there is no possible way to convince anyone who wants to try the Atkins diet that it is a bad idea. For some reason, people just don't listen on this topic (and there's no way they're EVER gonna listen to a vegetarian about it!).<br><br><br><br>
Fortunately, in my experience, very few people I've known who've tried it have been able to stay on it for more than a few months.<br><br><br><br>
Even my dad, who has been on Atkins for almost a year (and has lost alot of weight) is starting to drift away from it.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by veganinohio</i><br><br><b>In my experience, there is no possible way to convince anyone who wants to try the Atkins diet that it is a bad idea. For some reason, people just don't listen on this topic (and there's no way they're EVER gonna listen to a vegetarian about it!).<br><br><br><br>
Fortunately, in my experience, very few people I've known who've tried it have been able to stay on it for more than a few months.<br><br><br><br>
Even my dad, who has been on Atkins for almost a year (and has lost alot of weight) is starting to drift away from it.</b></div>
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Yes, most people I know either do a modified version, like The Zone, or get sick and quit pretty soon.
 

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Thanks everyone for your help! I'm compiling some info to send to my dad. I'm going to try to encourage him to see a nutritionist first. Thanks again. CS - glad your dad is 'back' and keeping in good health!
 

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Odd....In one of those magazines from our HMO (horribly managed organizations), there's an article "do high protien diets really work?" Now, understand, the mag is from the same people that believe that dairy is good for you and poultry is in the same group as nuts and seeds on the pyramid but yet, they tell that high protien diets are bad, bad, BAD!<br><br><br><br>
Basically the reason why is because of the ketosis factor. According to the article: "...often, the weight lost is mostly fluid and can be attirbuted to a process called ketosis. When the body is deprived of carbs, the buildup of ketone bodies occurs. You lose water as your kidneys try to expell the ketones through urination....." but it tells that ketosis overworks the kidneys and gives short term problems like dehydration, nausea, dizzyness among other things. High protien diets also raise your saturated fat, total fat, and cholestrol which, in turn raises your risk for heart disease. Additionally, there is no long-term study out there that shows that this is a diet that will keep weight of for a lifetime which, in my mind, anyway puts it in the same catagory as a "yo-yo diet". Even the AHA (American Heart Association) believes that the Atkins diet works, but is not safe.<br><br><br><br>
If your father is really "diet hungry", then turn him on to the Grower's diet which says you can have anything grown but not raised or the Seedling diet which says that you can only have things that are grown from seeds that a person can buy and plant. My favorite is the Grower's diet but you may ask: why <i>those</i> diets? Because they're ways of saying "vegan" or "vegetarian" without using the actual word (which omni's tend to be "allergic" to). Those diets I mentioned are the healthiest on the planet for long term and short term health. It won't make a person yo-yo, it's not hard to follow, and the weight comes off nice and slow - the way <span style="text-decoration:underline;">all</span> diet professionals say weight should go if one were trying to consiously lose. The only caution to this is that you have to move A LOT because the diet gives you so much energy and stamina that you almost can't stand to lie around for any length of time and you have to eat ALL THE TIME, but that's because your body is truely turning into a "fat burning machine" because you're dining on plant based compounds and not animal based compounds which are harder to digest and assimulate into the body....(geeze, I sound like I'm trying to convince omni's. I know I'm not but that's the line of logic I give them when I hear the "diet" word.) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
But your dad (if he's anything like my dad) won't go for such an "off the beam" diet as something that's totally good for you and not fad-ish. In that case, then the best you can prolly do is collect data and encourage him to talk to a nutritionist and then encourage him to actually follow what he/she says.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck with your dad.
 

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A lot of people seem to respect Dr. Weil (I am one of them). You can find some very helpful AND scientific anti-Adkins stuff there.<br><br><br><br>
the main site:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html" target="_blank">http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html</a><br><br><br><br>
some info:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=239883-pt=Question" target="_blank">http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cd...83-pt=Question</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=3553-pt=Question" target="_blank">http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cd...53-pt=Question</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
BTW, my feeling is that it is a rare bird that does more than a few days or weeks on Adkins. AND as soon as you resume eating "normally" you gain it all back.<br><br><br><br>
Good Luck. Most people have to find this out for themselves, I am afraid.
 

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i highly recommend the Zone. My parents have been on the Zone for about a year and a half and really love it. It's helped my dad with his type 2 diabetes, loose a lot of weight, and he's a happy camper for it.<br><br><br><br>
also, it advocates a VARIETY of foods, particularly veggies. it's a very good diet--lots of whole foods.
 
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