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Hi all, good to be here. I feel obliged to point out at this early stage that I am not in fact a vegetarian, nor can I imagine that I ever will be. I'm here for a few reasons, I guess information and curiosity being the prevailing theme throughout them. I hope this won't put you off talking to me- I find forums are often a good place for diverse views, and I hope I will be welcome here.<br><br>
I am a former chef, and at the time I never had a lot of interest in either catering for or living off the vegetarian diet, perhaps because I so rarely found a vegetarian meal that appealed, and when I did, it was a let down (not because it didn't have meat, just because the food in itself wasn't terribly exciting). I was particular about my produce, and fairly rigid when it came to my views that a meat-based protein was the centerpiece of any meal.<br><br>
Fast-forward a few years: I've ended up falling in love with a rather wonderful vegetarian lass, and we're extremely happy together, but I struggle with the food aspect of our relationship. As I was a chef, I was always used to being able to cook good food for my other halves, and as most of them have been ruthless carnivores like myself, it was really easy for me to please them in this area. It was my thing. I felt it was one of the things I contributed to a relationship, and contributed well. But now, I'm honestly finding myself stuck and a a little deficient in the areas in which I would usually excel. I guess, therefore, you can add 'help' to my reasons for being here!<br><br>
I of course understand that food is often only half the story when it comes to vegetarianism, and that there is a personal, moral, perhaps even political element as well- that's not really why I'm here. That's not to say that I'm not prepared to talk about it; everyone has an opinion (even me) and I respect those opinions, but ultimately I'm here with some clear objectives and I hope everyone understands that I dont want to ruffle feathers or get involved in arguments, at least non-constructive ones.<br><br>
I will ask direct questions in other areas of the forum, but I wanted to provide a bit of background. Anyway, that's me. :)
 

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You have to be vegetarian or vegan, or seriously considering becoming veggie/vegan to be a member here, so, unfortunately, your time here may very well be shortlived.
 

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I did see that in the rules, though I was hoping the fact that my interest in being here is strictly actual vegetarianism might squeeze me through the door of reasonable doubt (granted not my own vegetarianism explicitly, though by proxy I suppose- I'm not likely to make two separate meals on any given night if you really want to get granular). I have no reason or intention of being outwardly pro-meat, that's the exact opposite to what I'm here for. In any case, if the mods have a real problem with me being here I'd really appreciate a PM and the chance to bow out gracefully (i.e. by cancelling my own account), rather than an outright ban with no dialogue whatsoever.
 

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I did see that in the rules, though I was hoping the fact that my interest in being here is strictly actual vegetarianism might squeeze me through the door of reasonable doubt (granted not my own vegetarianism explicitly, though by proxy I suppose- I'm not likely to make two separate meals on any given night if you really want to get granular). I have no reason or intention of being outwardly pro-meat, that's the exact opposite to what I'm here for. In any case, if the mods have a real problem with me being here I'd really appreciate a PM and the chance to bow out gracefully (i.e. by cancelling my own account), rather than an outright ban with no dialogue whatsoever.</div>
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It doesn't work like that, though, unfortunately. You're either a vegetarian or you're not.<br><br>
Sorry, but there are rules here that forbid this kind of thing.<br><br>
I'm sure the mods will let you do that, though.
 

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As a straight, white male, if I were to create a forum which explicitly excluded homosexuals, people with other skin colours or women, there would (rightfully) be opposition in the best case, and in some cases I'm sure some sort of legal action. Obviously, any given forum has a theme or objective which appeals to a group of people. In 99% of cases, people who have no interest in said theme or objective would simply stay clear. The remaining 1%, who join to cause trouble can be locked down by mods in the event that they act in a way which could be harmful to that community- that's the job of moderators: to keep the peace and make sure people's rights are upheld. If I were disrespectful to individuals, or running around spouting anti- vegetarian comments, then fair enough, ban me. But given that HASN'T and simply would NOT be the case, I find it hard to get my head around the idea that, in this day and age, any group of people can truly believe it is right to discriminate like that. I strongly disagree with that kind of thinking, especially when the person you're discriminating against is genuinely interested in your ways. If someone wanted to know more about my beliefs of practises, I'd welcome them with open arms (so long as they weren't damaging or undermining those beliefs or practises), especially given that 100% of the point is to coexist with people different to myself. If I were the type of person to generalise and paint whole groups with one person's brush, I'd probably come away from this experience feeling quite aggrieved and overly negative towards vegetarians...but anyway. I digress. Maybe I'm too open minded for my own good. It has been made clear that I am not welcome, and I will withdraw from these forums within 24 hours.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Alpheus85</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3097249"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
As a straight, white male, if I were to create a forum which explicitly excluded homosexuals, people with other skin colours or women, there would (rightfully) be opposition in the best case, and in some cases I'm sure some sort of legal action. Obviously, any given forum has a theme or objective which appeals to a group of people. In 99% of cases, people who have no interest in said theme or objective would simply stay clear. The remaining 1%, who join to cause trouble can be locked down by mods in the event that they act in a way which could be harmful to that community- that's the job of moderators: to keep the peace and make sure people's rights are upheld. If I were disrespectful to individuals, or running around spouting anti- vegetarian comments, then fair enough, ban me. But given that HASN'T and simply would NOT be the case, I find it hard to get my head around the idea that, in this day and age, any group of people can truly believe it is right to discriminate like that. I strongly disagree with that kind of thinking, especially when the person you're discriminating against is genuinely interested in your ways. If someone wanted to know more about my beliefs of practises, I'd welcome them with open arms (so long as they weren't damaging or undermining those beliefs or practises), especially given that 100% of the point is to coexist with people different to myself. If I were the type of person to generalise and paint whole groups with one person's brush, I'd probably come away from this experience feeling quite aggrieved and overly negative towards vegetarians...but anyway. I digress. Maybe I'm too open minded for my own good. It has been made clear that I am not welcome, and I will withdraw from these forums within 24 hours.</div>
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I love to debate with omnis, and so do many others, but those are the rules. Maybe you should go to ILoveTalk? General chat forum, run by the same guy as this place. Many of the same people there. You'd surely be accepted there, and this issue could be discussed further.<br><br>
But currently, this forum is meant to act as a safe haven for vegetarians. Almost all of us deal with omnivores in real life who are less than accepting. Your analogy is invalid in the fact that it happens every day - if I, as a liberal gay guy, went onto a forum designed for conservative straight males (and believe me, there are many out there) and went on about how gay I was, I could expect to be banned because that is a forum for conservative straight males to talk about conservative straight male things. Doesn't matter that they're wrong - just matters that they set up the board, so their discussion goes the way they want it to and that's their right under the laws that govern free speech on the Internet. If their forum provider had a problem with it, that'd be another story, but if it was hosted on software such as this, or really almost any forum software, then they couldn't be stopped from doing that.<br><br>
So, while I agree with you in a way, you have to understand where this comes from and why omnivores don't get very far on here. Hope to see you on ILoveTalk, you seem like an interesting and fairly open-minded person and I'd love to continue with this discussion, as I'm sure some others do.
 

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I take your point about it being a safe haven, though surely by that definition I personally am not something which anyone would need to be 'safe' from? It's truly horrific that any vegetarian (or for that matter, ANYONE) should need such a safety net at all. The fact that my point is idealistic doesn't make it invalid, it just unfortunately the case that idealism and realism are often a million miles apart. I suppose ultimately I had hoped I could be one of those people who is accepting, and accepted in return.<br><br>
In any case, I shall venture to the forums you mentioned, thanks for the pointer <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Edit: <a href="http://ilovetalk.com/forum/index.php" target="_blank">http://ilovetalk.com/forum/index.php</a> this one?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Alpheus85</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3097789"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I take your point about it being a safe haven, though surely by that definition I personally am not something which anyone would need to be 'safe' from? It's truly horrific that any vegetarian (or for that matter, ANYONE) should need such a safety net at all. The fact that my point is idealistic doesn't make it invalid, it just unfortunately the case that idealism and realism are often a million miles apart. I suppose ultimately I had hoped I could be one of those people who is accepting, and accepted in return.<br><br>
In any case, I shall venture to the forums you mentioned, thanks for the pointer <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Edit: <a href="http://ilovetalk.com/forum/index.php" target="_blank">http://ilovetalk.com/forum/index.php</a> this one?</div>
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Yup, that one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 
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