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Hello <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I used to have an account on here quite a while ago, I have looked on here once in a blue moon. Lately I have been thinking about fish, and I guess I have come on here to get some input.<br><br>
I became a vegetarian my freshman year of high school, a little over 4 years ago I suppose, I am currently a freshman in college. Prior to becoming one, I had been thinking about it for quite a while and I met my best friend who already was a vegetarian, so I suppose it was a feeling of, there is someone else out there I could relate to. I also dislike the treatment of animals and how the meat is obtained. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian, eating all dairy and eggs.<br><br>
I suppose that's a decent amount of background? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br>
So lately I have been thinking about fish, as stated above. I am thinking about allowing myself to eat it; however, I have recently done research as this topic has popped up into my mind, and I would not want to eat commercially provided fish.<br>
My main reason for this pondering (I can't think of the right word), of eating fish, is primarily vitamin B-12. It is very important and... My thoughts are really hard to describe so it may not make sense or be very coherent, ha ha. Anyway, vitamin B12 is so important to cognitive function in a way, with the function of the brain and our blood. Many/most, if not all vegetarians/vegans obtain it by supplements and fortified foods, such as cereal (my primary source). Every time I eat a handful, or a cup, I do so because I know how necessary and vital it is to have my B12. I enjoy eating Luna bars and cliff bars because of the B12 in them, they are also quite tasty :p. However, why choose to eat a diet, to eat in a way, that would not be naturally supported. I understand that with the advances in technology, and our society, it is very easy for vegetarians and vegans to support their lifestyles and diets. But if it isn't naturally supported why do so... this is so hard to explain, ha ha, even though we have these supplies/sources, I want to have a diet that doesn't rely on unnatural things/sources. I could never eat meat again, carcass flesh... gross... I know that fish feel pain, they die by suffocation. I would not eat fish from the store, I would have it as an option, not like in a restaurant or anything, but have my mind allow me the option during times and situations where I know where it came from.<br><br>
Fish has been a part of diets and cultures from the beginning... hunter-gatherers. It seems like an option to me, I don't know if I could do it...<br><br>
I guess I'm just looking for thoughts?<br><br>
On another kind of similar note, I am thinking, very much leaning towards totally cutting out eggs and cheese. I can't remember the last time I have had milk straight up, gross... it's milk for calves, not humans, it was not meant for our consumption, it's just bleh to me; not necessarily for that reason... but I have never really liked it that much. As much as I enjoy cheese, it's great for a sandwich or a sub and the occasional grilled cheese, it's very... cloggy feeling, not 'pure' if that makes sense. Eggs... I used to enjoy them... but the smell and the thought of eating them... ugh... no, nope... pretty sure I've already cut them out, ha ha. What would be left is them from cakes and such.<br><br>
This is very long with a lot of topics... I guess this is sort of my intro as well. I wasn't sure where to put this, hopefully here is okay. I'm looking forward to all of your thoughts <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.
 

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So, you're on a vegetarian forum, and then you ask people what they think about you eating fish? Kind of predictable what the end result may be?
 

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Well, I'm a vegetarian and this is an issue. Ha ha, I can see where this could go but, ugh... I've been thinking a lot about this and I guess I was wondering if anyone out there, on here, has had similar thoughts, situation... This just seemed to be the place where I wanted to discuss it :p.
 

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Well, you won't get any support for it here. But I can tell you why it's a bad idea.<br><br>
In my opinion, the fish/seafood industry is the worst of the bunch. We've over-farmed the oceans, certain species are dying out, and the fishing boats don't just kill the fish. They kill anything else that gets in the way of those fish. Even if you're talking about individually caught fish, or factory farmed fish, they still die a horrible death. And each time you eat a piece of fish, that's one whole life, as opposed to a piece of cow.<br><br>
If it's B12 you're worried about, you shouldn't be worried as a lacto-ovo vegetarian. There's more than enough of it in dairy, eggs and fortified foods. And if you're going along the route of 'fortified foods aren't natural', then I suggest you make yourself some tools out of rocks and sticks and go catch the fish yourself. Advances aren't a bad thing; they enable us to move away from outdated and unnecessary practices.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Cyan</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2833468"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
However, why choose to eat a diet, to eat in a way, that would not be naturally supported. I understand that with the advances in technology, and our society, it is very easy for vegetarians and vegans to support their lifestyles and diets. But if it isn't naturally supported why do so... this is so hard to explain, ha ha, even though we have these supplies/sources, I want to have a diet that doesn't rely on unnatural things/sources.</div>
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Define 'natural' and 'unnatural' and explain why they are relevant.
 

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My main reason for this pondering (I can't think of the right word), of eating fish, is primarily vitamin B-12. [...] However, why choose to eat a diet, to eat in a way, that would not be naturally supported. [...] this is so hard to explain, ha ha, even though we have these supplies/sources, I want to have a diet that doesn't rely on unnatural things/sources.</div>
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Hunter-gatherer humans who ate only plant-based foods would have been perfectly capable of getting B12 without supplements. It's in the soil that was on fruits and vegetables and such.<br><br>
The reason we have to supplement is because of the the unnatural way in which produce is mass produced, washed a LOT, and grown in depleted soil.<br><br>
If you wish to get your food in ways that don't require "unnatural things/sources" you're going to have to grow everything yourself. Or possibly just become nomadic.<br><br>
I guess what I'm saying is if you are concerned about being super natural, saying, "I'll eat dead fish for this one vitamin" seems like an arbitrary and cruel place to start. Maybe you should start with eliminating GMO foods from your diet. Or getting rid of shampoo and conditioner.
 

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I agree that this isn't a question suited for a vegetarian forum. If your main concern is B12, you are aware that it's not an animal-made vitamin, right? It's made by bacteria. If you get it through supplements or fortified foods, you're getting the same kind of vitamin. I mean, you shouldn't worry that supplementation is unnatural or wrong. Why would you want a middleman, so to speak, in order to get your nutrients? Especially when that means eating the flesh of a sentient being and with all the repercussions AeryFairy described above?<br><br>
I repeat, B12 isn't an animal product. You don't need to eat any animals for it.
 
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