[vtgorilla]

Today is my one month of being Veggie! In celebration I tried my first Veggie Burger(no mayo) at Burger King...it was great! Onto the real question...<br><br><br><br>
I have been trying to limit obvious dairy and eggs. I have a real addiction to cheese though, and I think butter tastes wonderful <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> . I decided the real problem lies in the lack of motivation. I became vegetarian primarily for health reasons (although I agree with all of the other ones too).<br><br><br><br>
So now I pose my question...healthwise, why should I limit my dairy as much as possible?

 

[jeezycreezy]

Nicked these two links from milksucks.com<br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/dairy.html" target="_blank">http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/dairy.html</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/milk.html" target="_blank">http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/milk.html</a>

 

[elibrown]

Oh man, where do I start? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""><br><br><br><br>
Well the first thing that comes to mind is cholesterol. Plant products do not contain any at all because it's something that animal bodies create for their own use. Therefore, your body makes all you need and anything else is just bad. You know, heart disease, obesity, etc.<br><br><br><br>
I'm sure you've heard that dairy products are mostly pus and mucus? Many people believe that putting excess mucus into your body leads to a weakened immune system, more viral and bacterial illnesses. I've never conquered my cheese addiction long enough to prove this, but when I read about it it makes sense.<br><br><br><br>
Dairy products have high levels of tryptophan, an amino acid that makes you feel drowsy. Foods with a lot of fat also tend to be difficult to digest, so most of your blood and energy is going to your digestive system after you eat a lot of dairy. Therefore, your energy level can skyrocket when you stop eating dairy.<br><br><br><br>
That's all I got for now, and take it with a grain of salt as it's just a conglomeration of things I remember reading over the years.

 

[eggplant]

While dairy and eggs both contain nutrition, they also contain stuff that's not good for you. Dairy, unless it's non-fat, is high in cholesterol. Dairy has also been linked to digestive and respiratory problems in many people, often without them realizing it. Just like human milk is food for baby humans, cow's milk is food for baby cows, so human bodies aren't really designed to digest it well. While dairy is touted by the industry as being the best source of calcium, it is not. Actually, dairy, while it contains calcium, also leeches calcium from the bones. Parts of the world where the most dairy is consumed (North America and northern Europe) also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. There are plenty of great veg sources of calcium.<br><br><br><br>
Eggs also are high in cholesterol. They are also one of the most common sources of salmonella poisoning and are a common allergen.<br><br><br><br>
But really, since a little eggs and dairy isn't going to kill you (most likely), the best reason to stop eating them is because of the extreme level of cruelty in the egg and dairy industries.

 

[GhostUser]

Congrats for being veggie for a month! That's great!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/pibo.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="ibo:"> They say if you change your eating habits and stick with them for 30 days, the hardest part is over. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""><br><br><br><br>
I noticed you said that you love the taste of butter. You could try Earth Balance, which is a non-hydrogenated spread that tastes a lot like butter. Even my grandparents like it, who aren't even vegetarians! If you try substituting different dairy products slowly at a time (like butter), it might make the transition easier for you.

 

[eggplant]

I love Earth Balance!<br><br><br><br>
Oh, and I forgot to mention the hormones in dairy as well.

 

[Quincy]

it's not easy, but in the end it's totally worth it!<br><br>
the best thing may be to start cutting out individual/certain food items.<br><br>
Earth Balance is definitely awesome and for a cream cheese substitute, I've found that Tofutti's brand tastes VERY CLOSE to cream cheese and has a very similar texture.<br><br><br><br>
you'll find that many substitutes may look, smell or have a similar texture, but they don't always taste similar. that doesn't have to be a bad thing though...try new things and good luck!!!

 

[troub]

dairy makes you go bald, fat, gives you gas, hepatitis C, and may cause herpes and/or crabs.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
this is a lie of course - but so is everything the dairy industry tells you.

 

[Ayrlin]

Earth Balance is great stuff, I use the vegan one myself very tasty and I'll be the first to say that fake vegan foods usually IMO taste like ass.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
For health I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle.<br><br>
I do not think dairy is as bad for you as people make it out to be but it is hard finding a report from an un-bias place.<br><br><br><br>
Hormones in milk are certainly not good for you but you can get hormone free dairy.<br><br>
Most of the world population of humans simply have an intolerance for dairy and that much is true People of Asian, African, Native American, and Hispanic descent are more likely to have a lactose intolerance than others. Simply because of thier history of drinking milk verces otehr races/ethnic groups history.<br><br>
Some groups of people have been drinking milk since long before biblical times, others have just started in the last 300 years or so, so in short some people have had a much loonger time to adapt.<br><br><br><br>
I'm of American Indian decent and while all my siblings and my children all have a dairy intolerance I do not.<br><br>
So its a body by body kinda deal.<br><br>
Note intolerance is not the same as an allergy, iltolerance can be something as simple as feeling icky later.<br><br><br><br>
cholesterol, oh where does one begin.<br><br>
First of all toss out all the knowlage you grew up with its wrong, eating eggs does not have much if any impact on your cholesterol, eating foods with cholesterol is not the issue.<br><br>
What raises your cholesterol is saturated fats and since your a vegetarian ( hopefully not a french fries and coke type) you do not have to worry about that unless you are eating large amount of dairy with lots of saturated fat.<br><br>
Yay you.<br><br>
In the 1960s, doctors had solid evidence linking heart attacks and strokes to higher levels of cholesterol in the blood. So it just seemed like common sense to avoid foods rich in cholesterol, including eggs.<br><br><br><br>
But in this case, common sense was wrong. In 1999, a large Harvard study found that people who ate one egg a day were no more likely to have heart disease or strokes than those who ate eggs less often than once a week. It turns out that much of the cholesterol in your blood is made by your liver, not absorbed from the food you eat. In other words, the cholesterol in food doesnt affect the levels in your blood all that much.<br><br>
Do not belive me? Go research egg studies done within the last few years.<br><br><br><br>
Everything else is going to be from an ethical standpoint <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[Ravenfire]

I really don't have anything to add about how unheathy they are that hasn't already been said. But I wanted to let you know as far as butter goes, if you either can't afford or don't have access to Earth Balance, Smart Balance Light is vegan and tastes just like real butter to me. It's what I use and I love it!

 

[Smootie]

If you want to know the truth about dairy..............look up Dr John McDougall. He has many interesting articles on the evil of dairy, especially for children. Humans should not be consuming milk from another mammals. The milk of animals is designed for thier own offspring. It's no more normal for us to drink rat's milk or gariffe's milk than cow's milk. Cow's milk is all about $$$$$.......not our health. If someone had figured out how to get enough milk out of rats; we'd be drinking that! It's all about $$$$$.<br><br><br><br>
Here's just one of many interesting facts..........bed wetting is caused by a food alergy to milk. This is why it only affects certain kids......it's an intolerance. BEDWETTING IS NOT BEHAVIOR BASED. What happens is....the kid drinks the milk.............. if senitive; it causes his/her bladder to swell and they can't tell it's full when they are sleeping.........Hence, they wet the bed. If you take a bed wetting kid off of dairy....the bed wetting stops.<br><br><br><br>
Dr Mc Dougall explains this much better than me..........

 

[MarrakeshXpress]

This seems to be the consensus, but I'll just through my two cents in anyway...<br><br>
Some dairy/egg products are not at all bad and are, in fact, extremely good for you (egg whites, nonfat yogurt). That said, things like whole milk, butter, egg yolks, etc. are easily nutritionally worse than lean white meat like chicken breast or pork tenderloin. Personally, I believe that a low-fat, meatless diet is the healthiest choice out there but the key term is <b>low-fat</b>. To acheive this, you've got to watch the dairy.<br><br>
(FYI- I love cheese too, but do some research on rennet and you'll cut back real fast)

 

[troub]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MarrakeshXpress</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
in fact, extremely good for you (egg whites, nonfat yogurt).</div>
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lol k.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
...lol

 

[GhostUser]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MarrakeshXpress</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
in fact, extremely good for you (egg whites, nonfat yogurt).</div>
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Source?

 

[troub]

ooo ooo i know i know!<br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/" target="_blank">http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
lol<br><br><br><br>
heres a quote from their extensive knowledge "# Girls who ditch dairy miss out on nutrients they need"<br><br><br><br><br><br>
heh

 

[GhostUser]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"><br><br><br><br>
Nice.

 

[Alli]

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<div class="quote-block">lol<br><br><br><br>
heres a quote from their extensive knowledge "# Girls who ditch dairy miss out on nutrients they need"<br><br><br><br><br><br>
heh<br></div>
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Hahaha.<br><br><br><br>
Okay, health reasons... Cheese is basically all fat. Same with butter. The fat is what makes it taste good.<br><br><br><br>
I agree with everyone on Earth balance. I have Smart Balance light, which is esentially the same thing. It's made by the same company & also vegan. When I run out of it I'm getting some earth balance from the health food store though.<br><br><br><br>
Okay, now for cheese. None of the vegan cheese substitutes taste like "real" cheese. That's what I've heard anyway. I was a major cheese addict too, but it's really not hard. Substitutes for when you're craving cheese:<br><br><br><br>
-Vegan gourmet. It's soy cheese, extremely healthy, and YUMMY. None of my omni family likes it... But I love it. I was making a vegan pizza with it, and I couldn't stop snacking on it. The monteray jack is my favorite flavor so far.<br><br><br><br>
-Hummus. It has a cheese-dip-like texture. It's also healthy, and it tastes good. Great for spreading on crackers if you get a craving for crackers & cheese.<br><br><br><br>
-Guacamole. For basically the same reasons as hummus. If it's store bought, just make sure that it's vegan.<br><br><br><br>
Like I said, I never thought I'd be able to give up cheese... But I did it. And I love the new foods that I eat in place of it.<br><br><br><br>
Oh, one last thing... Milk has morphine in it. Not from processing, but it's just in the milk. There's no way to get rid of it. It's so the baby cow becomes addicted to it so they can get bigger. Also, most milk has growth hormones in it (from processing). Dairy's just gross.

 

[Christopher Jon]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>vtgorilla</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Today is my one month of being Veggie! In celebration I tried my first Veggie Burger(no mayo) at Burger King...it was great! Onto the real question...<br><br><br><br>
I have been trying to limit obvious dairy and eggs. I have a real addiction to cheese though, and I think butter tastes wonderful <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> . I decided the real problem lies in the lack of motivation. I became vegetarian primarily for health reasons (although I agree with all of the other ones too).<br><br><br><br>
So now I pose my question...healthwise, why should I limit my dairy as much as possible?</div>
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Please Please Please read The China Study by T.Colin Campbell. It will knock you on your ass and convince you to become vegan.

 

[codemonkey]

Eggs and milk are bad for you for the same reasons that meat is bad for you. The more animal fat/protein you eat, the higher risk you have of heart disease, some cancers, obesity, etc. Also, when you eat eggs and dairy (as well as meat) you're eating all the hormones, antibiotics, steriods and garbage that they feed the animals directly. Farm animals are feed food that is unfit for human consumption.

 

[codemonkey]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Smootie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If you want to know the truth about dairy..............look up Dr John McDougall. He has many interesting articles on the evil of dairy, especially for children. Humans should not be consuming milk from another mammals. The milk of animals is designed for thier own offspring. It's no more normal for us to drink rat's milk or gariffe's milk than cow's milk. Cow's milk is all about $$$$$.......not our health. If someone had figured out how to get enough milk out of rats; we'd be drinking that! It's all about $$$$$.<br><br><br><br>
Here's just one of many interesting facts..........bed wetting is caused by a food alergy to milk. This is why it only affects certain kids......it's an intolerance. BEDWETTING IS NOT BEHAVIOR BASED. What happens is....the kid drinks the milk.............. if senitive; it causes his/her bladder to swell and they can't tell it's full when they are sleeping.........Hence, they wet the bed. If you take a bed wetting kid off of dairy....the bed wetting stops.<br><br><br><br>
Dr Mc Dougall explains this much better than me..........</div>
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The bedwetting thing is really interesting. I have two nephews and a neice who had the worst bedwetting problems when they were kids. All three of them are allergic to dairy.