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have you ever had a doctor or a "professional" in the health field try to talk you out of being vegetarian/vegan?<br><br><br><br>
once about 5 years ago i had a doctor try to convince me that my "eating habits" were not healthy and that i should really consider eating meat again.!!!<br><br><br><br>
needless to say i never went back to that doctor, about 6 months later i found a really great doctor that supported my "eating habits", and even gave me vitamin tips to stay healthy!!!<br><br><br><br>
i was just wondering if anyone had any similar situations that they went through?????????
 

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Well I havent been in a situation like that before. But i would say your other docter didnt know what he was talking about. Vegetarians have healthier diets then most people I would say except if you eat alot of sweets or fried foods. On the diet paper thing on my fridge that my docter gave for my dad meat isnt even listed in the "Eat most often" it was under "eat in moderation" And i dont really trust docters because they misdiagnosed me many times. And they are the reason my grandma died. My grandpa doesnt even go to see docters anymore he calls them butchers. Docters always rush through everything when they question you and most of them I know have misdiagnosed people. I just dont trust them.
 

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yeah i was angry with that doctor, he just seemed so clueless. and i really dont think that he wanted to give me tips on eating healthy...at the time i didnt know anything about nutrition, and i was looking for some advice.<br><br><br><br>
you gotta love doctors now-a-days!!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by ladyturtle1978</i><br><br><b>have you ever had a doctor or a "professional" in the health field try to talk you out of being vegetarian/vegan?<br><br></b></div>
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Yes, changed doctor.<br><br><br><br>
Some doctors only know the basic stuff, and if your different they'll try to change you.<br><br><br><br>
Sort of like a Ford-dealer: "You drive Chervolet ???, that cannot be good !"
 

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That's never happened to me but lately I've been asking myself if there is any wisdom in having a doctor who isn't a vegan? She or he can't know much about taking care of her/himself.<br><br><br><br>
(Of course for acute conditions such as a broken arm, it wouldn't matter.)
 

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When I was pregnant I had several doctors in the practice express concern over my choice of diet.<br><br><br><br>
But it really came to a head one day when the doctor mentioned that my weight gain was really low. I had only gained 8 pounds at the 30 week mark. She saw "vegan" written on my chart and said, "You have to stop this crazy diet. You're killing your child. I want you to start drinking carnation instant breakfast drink." I said in a pretty calm voice, "That's not going to happen."<br><br><br><br>
She blew up at me. She yelled at me for depriving my child of nutrition and calories. I informed her that I was not on a diet in the sense that I was trying to lose weight. Far from it, in fact, as I was eating everythign in sight. I just told her I didn't eat meat and dairy products.<br><br><br><br>
She slammed her file on the counter and stormed out of the office. She ran into another of my doctors in the hall and complained about me. "I can't treat this woman. She refuses to drink milk!" But the other doc said, "She's seen the nutritionist 3 times. Her diet is fine. Now go back in there and be professional."<br><br><br><br>
When she came in she said, "I'd appreciate it if you made your appointment with another doctor next time." I said, "Well that's one thing we agree on."<br><br><br><br>
I ended up gaining a total of 20 pounds during the pregnancy. My baby was healthy and over 7 pounds at birth. I lost 30 pounds within a month of giving birth. It was great.<br><br><br><br>
I think they are just used to the meat eating women who gain more weight, on average, during their pregnancies, so my weight gain was below average, but still healthy.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry so long....
 

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How terrible! That's the last thing you needed to deal with while being pregnant! People can be so clueless and not even know it.
 

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Erin-<br><br>
That was totally unprofessional behavior. Additionally, what right does the Dr. have to judge you considering how little nutritional education they get? Furthermore, that you had gone to nutritionists and were eating fine should've been in your chart if the Dr. had taken the time to read it.
 

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I know how doctors can be but the fact that she says the new doctor "even gave me vitamin tips to stay healthy!!!" leads me to believe maybe there was something lacking in the diet. Whether or not that was factored into his opinion I don't know.<br><br><br><br>
Regardless, I do think the first doctor took the easy way out. He should have worked with her like the second doctor apparently did.
 

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i haven't been to a doc in a while and last time i didn't tell him i was vegan, didn't come up and i didn't see a need for it.<br><br><br><br>
but i've heard that most doctors only take one or two very basic nutrition classes in med school and aren't required to know all that much about it. if a doc told me my eating was unhealthy i'd say "i'll consider that, thanks, now get back on topic". if i want advice about my eating i'll see a nutritionist, i wouldn't trust any doctor's advice even if they sounded like they knew what they were talking about.<br><br><br><br>
i think the only training they get about it is to recognize symptoms of deficiencies, so unless they tell me i'm not getting enough of something, all nutrition info they tell me gets filed under useless
 

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I just saw my Doc yesterday and mentioned it to her for the second time since becoming vegetarian. It was in one ear and out the other like it was no big deal..just like it should be. My blood pressure is down, and I'm gonna bet that my cholesterol is too (althought she didn't test that so I don't know for sure) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I don't trust doctors when it comes to these types of things. Like someone else said, see a nutritionist for diet advice, see a doctor for a broken bone.<br><br><br><br>
Some doctors think they know everything though, and some patients think their doctors know everything. I can't tell you how many people do horrible things for their bodies just because some doctor said to. Atkins, for example. That guy's "advice" should be a disgrace to other doctors, talk about breaking the oathe to "do no harm."
 

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I haven't been to the doc since I went vegetarian, and that was over 2 1/2 years ago.<br><br><br><br>
Wait, I take that back. I did go see the doctor about apparent perpetually-infected ear piercings, but he told me it was contact mellitus, and that meant I should only wear certain kinds of earrings. My diet never came up.
 

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well... a few years back i was involved with this one group at the university, and at one meeting they brought in a lady who practices Chinese medicine. As a demonstration, she did a free tounge examination for everyone - where you would basically let her look at your tounge and she could discern details about your health from it.. She could tell i was veg right away - but she was also convinced that I wasn't getting enough iron and certain B vitamins like folic acid.. for that she insisted that i should start eatting eggs again right away or i might not be able to have children some years later... I just thought to myself, great! I'm not planning on having kids - that'll save me from getting a tubal ligation! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br>
Needless to say, I didn't follow her advice, and I'm as healthy as ever - no anemia here!<br><br>
No other doctor that I have visit has even so much as implied that being vegan would have any sort of negative impact on my health.
 

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Veganism as a contraceptive... that's one I haven't heard before.
 

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I just remember that I saw a doctor for skin-problems a few years ago.<br><br><br><br>
His advice was to use omega-oils and they "only" could be found in fish......Yeah, right.<br><br><br><br>
I found a Vegan alternative for that and quit seeing him.
 

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Most doctors get less then four hours of nutritional education in med school. Western doctors know how to treat trauma and pain management (with a lot of support from the pharmaseutical industry). In fact, I see them as little more than drug pushers. Many seem almost offended by the preventive medicines and healthy lifestyles that promote independence from disease. Do you realize much of what they learn and research in med school is funded by pharmaseuticals? A lot of their post med school education comes from cheesy little sales men dropping off literature and free samples, taking them to lunch, or round of golf. Pharmaseuticals promise doctors things like white paper credit if they sign up x amount of people in slanted studies showing favorable results of whatever pill their trying to promote. Vegetarians and people promoting healthier lifestyles don't have products to push, or the funding to lobby, or profit from. Big money gets to dictate who the voice of authority is in this country (and most of the world), no matter how illogical and damaging the results.<br><br>
When's the last time you've met a healthy, fit doctor who didn't embrace self empowerment and alternative medicine? Why would anyone let an overweight, grey skinned, alcohol bloated, power hungry person tell them how to live?<br><br>
I have very little respect for registered dietitians as well. It is mind blowing how little they know about the science of food. It's like an artist who believes only three colors exist. Have you ever seen the menus they offer in hospitals. It's as if they all agreed to wear blinders, it's insane.<br><br>
Do you know that their are hundreds of thousands of people who die in a hospital every year from mal nurishment, over prescribed drugs and medical mal practice. The leading cause of death in a hospital is infection. Is that gross or what?<br><br>
When my father had a stroke a few years ago, I watched his doctor stand over him while a tray of food was delivered to him. It had coffee, a glass of milk, chicken in a cream sauce, carrots that had been boiled for about 30 minutes, a roll with butter, and mashed potatoes. For dessert they served chocolate cake. I yanked the hunched over doctor out of the room and ask how he could allow such crap to served to a man in my fathers condition. He had no problem with it. I told him he needs to go back to school, or give up his practice because his ignorance is a violation to the oath he once took. I just happened to be doing a documentary on heart disease at the time, so my brain was loaded with current research on the effects that dairy and acidic foods like meat, coffee and sugar have on constricting ateries, and how sluggish blood flows when there is nothing to hydrate you. Everthing thing on his tray, caffiene, sugar, meat, dairy and refined carbs promotes heart disease and stroke (and countless other problems). The doctor said the hospital has to feed the patients what they like. I told him it wasn't a godamn hotel, and just because someone likes the taste of poison is no reason to give it to them.<br><br>
My mother was so worried that the doctor was going to give my father lousy treatment after that augument, but it wasn't as if he had done anything other than look at his chart and tell my mother mother my dad was going die soon anyway. My mom later told me you could hear us fighting down the hall.<br><br>
The next day at the doctors insistance, my dad was transfered to a much better hospital in Boston. He was able to recieve Hypervaric Oxygen which helps stop the brain cells from dying, and promotes better brain function. It actually stops the brain from dying when recieved early enough. It's a relatively new and a very expensive treatment. The first doctor had dismissed it when I suggested he should take a more pro-active approach rather then just letting my dad lay there on bloodthinners.<br><br>
My dad has changed his diet dramatically though he is not a veggie, he says he wouldn't mind never eating another piece of meat. But, my moms the one who can't reconcile life without meat. she is very into authority figures like, priest, doctors, and politicians.<br><br>
She said she saw my dads old doctor and tried to apoligize for my behavior, but he told her I probably saved my dads life.
 

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Erin, I'm so sorry you had to deal with such unprofessional behavior. How irritating!<br><br>
Several ladies where I used to work tried to tell me that my vegetarian diet was unhealthy. (One of them said that she raised several "big" boys by feeding them lots of meat and eggs.)<br><br>
Each year we'd have on-site "Health Day" where we'd all take blood pressure and cholesterol tests. Both times I took the tests, my blood pressure and cholesterol were the lowest in my department. I considered pointing out the reasons why to my co-workers, but I doubt it would have done any good. Unhealthy? Please.<br><br><br><br>
ObsidianZebra, I've never heard that veganism could prevent pregnancy. *laughs* I tell you, I could have written that part of your post about not wanting children--same here. I'm not interested in being a mother. If that's truly a side effect, all the better. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> No offense intended, of course, towards those who have (or want) children.<br><br><br><br>
Baby, I really appreciated your interesting, thought-provoking post. There's a good deal of truth to your comment about doctors being drug-pushers to a degree. Also, I'm in agreement that the "alternative" lifestyle isn't encouraged nearly enough--I can't understand why the concept of *prevention* of disease by partaking of a healthy diet seems so foreign to so many. Indeed, I'm shocked that more doctors don't promote a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle.
 

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If it truly is more difficult for vegans to get pregnant, is that the only natural function of the human body that is hampered? It seems to me that a healthy diet should make the body's job easier, not harder.
 
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