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This guy is an idiot. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>What's up with the animal rights activists? They'd rather save a lab rat than allow potentially lifesaving research into diseases that kill us humans. And they spend money on legal fees for people who've done things like firebomb research centers.</b><br><br><br><br>
PETA President Ingrid Newkirk says we shouldn't drink milk, and PETA is suing the Milk Board for what it calls deceptive advertising. PETA says the ads are deceptive because they show happy cows in green meadows.<br><br>
"Almost no cows have a blade of grass or a tree," Newkirk said.<br><br><br><br>
"Some of them are on mud," Newkirk said, "which means when it rains, they're living up to their hocks in manure."<br><br><br><br>
But in nature, cows walk around in mud. If there weren't farmers taking care of them, the cows' living conditions might be worse. And many cows do live in green fields. You see them all over America.<br><br><br><br>
Farmers want healthy animals a healthy chicken lays more eggs, a happy cow gives more milk. That's why some dairy farmers even give their cows waterbeds to sleep on. Newkirk says that only a "vast, vast minority" are treated that well.<br><br><br><br>
Still, it shows that the farmer wants a healthy cow, too, right?<br><br><br><br>
"It's economics, that's all it is. If it ruins the leather " Newkirk said.<br><br><br><br>
Economics is OK. A happy cow, a healthy cow, more milk, more meat.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Concentration Camps for Animals<br><br><br><br>
PETA also wants us to stop eating turkey, because, according to Newkirk, the turkeys have nothing but "stress, pain, disease, fear, and in the end, a traumatic death." She says turkey farms are "like concentration camps for animals."<br><br><br><br>
I think that's an insult to the people who were in concentration camps.<br><br><br><br>
She told me: "If you go to these turkey farms, turkeys are crammed together so tightly, and they're transported in all weather conditions, only to be hung up by one leg and have their throat slit. That's not kind."<br><br><br><br>
But nature isn't kind either. Lions hunt down zebras and start to eat them while they're still alive. And while life on a turkey farm is no picnic, wild turkeys have tough lives, too. In the wild, they would fight, and die slowly, suffering as much pain as turkeys on a turkey farm.<br><br><br><br>
PETA says we shouldn't wear fur, either. Some of its members stormed the runway at the recent Victoria's Secret fashion show to protest a model who poses for fur ads.<br><br><br><br>
At a protest in Boston a month later, PETA activists doused themselves with red paint to represent the animal's blood and then slithered over Macy's store windows, smearing as much of the paint as possible to protest Macy's selling fur coats.<br><br><br><br>
That protest cost Boston-area taxpayers money. The Boston Sanitation Department had to come to clean up the sidewalks. When I asked her about this Newkirk said, "I'm sorry, John, but I think somebody has to give the animals a voice."<br><br><br><br>
PETA has gotten some very famous people to be the animals' voices. It's a trendy charity; celebrities such as Alec Baldwin and Alicia Silverstone appear in PETA ads.<br><br><br><br>
Activism or Terrorism?<br><br><br><br>
Some of their ads encourage us to protest research on animals. Even though animal testing has led to penicillin, organ transplants, the cure for polio, PETA says medical research involving animal testing must not be done.<br><br><br><br>
Newkirk said, "It's totally immoral, and I would no more experiment on my neighbor's child than experiment on an animal."<br><br><br><br>
Newkirk said that all animals feel pain, and feel afraid, and "it's rubbish research."<br><br><br><br>
Other animal rights activists advocate not just civil disobedience, but force.<br><br><br><br>
Robin Webb asked a crowd to destroy a New Jersey laboratory that uses animals to do research on diseases like AIDS and cancer when he spoke at an event for Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty.<br><br><br><br>
PETA says it does not fund terrorists, but when arsonists who blew up a research lab in Michigan were caught, PETA paid $45,000 for the legal defense of arsonist Rodney Coronado.<br><br><br><br>
"We gave him money for his defense because it is America and you are entitled to a legal defense and he's a fine young man and a schoolteacher," Newkirk said.<br><br><br><br>
Coronado doesn't seem to have any remorse for his action. He's out of jail, and a few months ago the Center for Consumer Freedom taped him urging others to burn buildings down.<br><br><br><br>
"I wish I didn't have to stand up here and talk about and justify and encourage direct action encourage breaking the law, encourage burning down buildings that are built for life's destruction, but I do," he said.<br><br><br><br>
He's the fine young teacher PETA's defending? The guy blew up a building. He didn't just speak his mind, he spoke with a bomb.<br><br><br><br>
Now you know, when you make your contribution to PETA, that's where some of it goes.<br><br><br><br>
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I dunno about an idiot Michael.. certainly a case can be made for some of the points he did bring up, such as the PETA money for defending an arsonist, or the smearing of paint on a business.<br><br><br><br>
NO ONE has a right to destroy property they do not own.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, PETA is becoming synonymous with such extremist tactics that a lot of folks, even AR folks, are starting to distance themselves from the organization. What may have started out as an organizatin with good intentions really seems to have lost it.<br><br><br><br>
If anything, I think Ingrid Newkirk is just as much an idiot.
 

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That guy is an idiot, he is the same jerk that was trashing organic produce a few years back.<br><br><br><br>
God Bless Peta
 

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That guy was so lame. What ever happened to non-biased news? Apparently it doesn't exist with him. One day, just one day, I would love to see something positive on the news regarding animal rights. They only show the extremist stuff because it's shock value. People do want to hear happy stories now and then believe it or not. I try NOT to watch the news as often as possible because it's so negative. It's so annoying to me when some people see something another person does and can't imagine themselves doing it and as a result they're very negative about it...such as calling it crazy, or "I could never do that"...well it's not about you so get over it! LOL.
 

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Herself,<br><br>
There is no such thing as non-biased news. There never has been and never will be. It's easy to see bias when you don't agree with it. Someone I respect greatly suggests that we all subscribe to a news magazine from the far left side, and another from the far right side. Theoretically this will give enough range of opinions and coverage of news that we'll be informed enough to make our own decisions.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Herself</i><br><br><b>What ever happened to non-biased news? Apparently it doesn't exist with him.</b></div>
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John Stossel's "Give Me A Break" segments aren't really intended to be "unbiased news"; they are editorials. His opinions.
 

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The animals have it so good! I don't even have a waterbed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I knew that animal rights activism was going to come back to bite me in the ass.
 

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<div class="quote-block">"animal testing has led to penicillin, ..... the cure for polio"</div>
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"Dr Sabin, who developed the polio vaccine stated on oath to the American congress that the polio vaccine would have been available 40 years earlier if animal experiments had not been performed.<br><br><br><br>
Penicillin was used in rabbits, in which it didnt work, and was only used on a sick patient in desperation. It worked. It is lethal to guinea pigs and hamsters.<br><br><br><br>
Howard Florey, the Nobel Prize winner credited with co-discovering and manufacturing penicillin, stated: How fortunate we didn't have these animal tests in the 1940s, for penicillin would probably never been granted a license, and possibly the whole field of antibiotics might never have been realised."
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kpickell</i><br><br><b>Well, I'm just glad to hear factory farms have installed waterbeds in all their stalls. That's fantastic!</b></div>
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This must be an exception to the rule.<br><br><br><br>
I've read an agricultural magazine in wich the benefits of airconditioning where calculated.<br><br>
Though airco is a large investment it pays its self back in the end, because the "meat-growth" per day is bigger.<br><br><br><br>
Here in Holland they have (some) pigfarms open for public so every one can see how good the pigs life is.<br><br><br><br>
The agricultural magazine is the only one that says that these are the (only) eight farms that comply to rules that will be inforced in 2005.<br><br><br><br>
On Animal testing:<br><br><br><br>
I just read an news paper article on a vaccin on aids (HIV).<br><br>
This vaccin only works in Asian or Black people.<br><br>
Not in "white" people.<br><br><br><br>
This gives ground to serious doubhts on the validity of animal testing.
 

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It's not and never has been valid.<br><br><br><br>
Only a matter of time, but how many more animals have to suffer and die, and too how many more humans need suffer as a result before the masses catch on.<br><br><br><br>
Just my view but I suggest anyone remotely interested take the time to read some of the mammoth amounts of material there is for the abolition of vivisection soley on medical, and scientific grounds and comments from doctors, and pseudo-scientists / former vivisectors themselves with nothing to gain and much to lose and form your own conclusions.<br><br><br><br>
'Slaughter of the Innocent' & 'Naked Empress' both by Hans Ruesch are very good books on the subject.
 

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I think PETA would be much better off if the organization moved to India and concentrated its activities there. Their methods and beliefs would have a lot of support over there, especially by radical Hindu organizations who employ similar tactics to push vegetarianism. The Home Minister (Indian equivalent of Attorney General) is himself a strict vegetarian and would love nothing better than to have an organization like PETA pushing its agenda in the country.
 

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Stossel is basically ABC's answer to talk radio. He was almost fired for falsifying research in order to claim organic foods "can kill you." He had to submit an apology and was roundly condemned for it.<br><br>
Stossel also attacked the environmental movement, showing the most ridiculous footage imaginable, including 70's-era shots of hippies and a guy dressed as Elvis, to cultivate scorn for serious environmental issues.<br><br>
Twice, he went after the animal rights movement as a whole, predictably focusing on the more radical aspects of PETA and ignoring the rest. "They CLAIM factory farms are CRUEL!" he said as if were the most shocking thing in the world. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dunce.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":dunce:"><br><br>
I wouldn't put too much stock in this guy. He's basically your Atkins-dieting, AM radio-blasting co-worker with a huge set of blinders and access to a national audience.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kpickell</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Well, I'm just glad to hear factory farms have installed waterbeds in all their stalls. That's fantastic!</div>
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We'll beat any other milk producers advertised price, or your mattress is FREEEEE!!<br><br><br><br>
(If you haven't seen that commercial, please don't think I'm an idiot. The above statement is actually really funny in context. See, I'm laughing --> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> ).<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><br><br><br>
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I dunno about an idiot Michael.. certainly a case can be made for some of the points he did bring up, such as the PETA money for defending an arsonist, or the smearing of paint on a business.<br><br><br><br>
NO ONE has a right to destroy property they do not own.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, PETA is becoming synonymous with such extremist tactics that a lot of folks, even AR folks, are starting to distance themselves from the organization. What may have started out as an organizatin with good intentions really seems to have lost it.<br><br><br><br>
If anything, I think Ingrid Newkirk is just as much an idiot.</div>
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You dont even know whatthelegal fees were for do you. the guy was at a protest and threw a piece of tofu at a cop. Ya supporting arson that was. Its called a half truth not telling the whole story. In a court of law its called a lie.
 

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I think the polio vaccine is innacurate. In the politics of cancer revisited, by Dr. Samuel Epstein they talk about how the disease was already on the decline and the vaccine did really no help at all. Experimentation on animals is just plain wrong. If a closer look is taken at all vaccines people would see just how scary they really are. New products, and so called medical advancements are really just showing that we areselves are the experiments, from GMO's to vaccines. If they're doing it to animals then why wouldn't they do it to us?
 

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Cows using waterbeds? That's just stupid. Animals are designed to sleep on the ground. Waterbeds could seriously injure the cows!!!
 

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I think the polio vaccine is innacurate. In the politics of cancer revisited, by Dr. Samuel Epstein they talk about how the disease was already on the decline and the vaccine did really no help at all. Experimentation on animals is just plain wrong. If a closer look is taken at all vaccines people would see just how scary they really are. New products, and so called medical advancements are really just showing that we areselves are the experiments, from GMO's to vaccines. If they're doing it to animals then why wouldn't they do it to us?</div>
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I think you're jumping the gun on vaccines here but any way. Animal testing is so sad. Perhaps tho it's best for humanity to discontinue medical science all together. I see no way out of animal testing while we have medical science.
 
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