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In the town hamburg, ny, near where I live, they (being PETA) want to change the name from hamburg to veggieburg. Everyone thinks it's a bad idea (I think it's cute) and they were going to donate veggieburgers to school.
 

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this is the kind of stuff that peta does that i just don't get.<br><br>
does it really matter?<br><br>
should we (as a movement) really bother trying to convince football teams to be the "pickers" instead of the "packers"?<br><br><br><br>
i know a lot of us don't agree with peta's radical tactics, but there's at least something to be said for them. i don't understand this kind of stuff though.
 

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Wow, another vegetarian that actually lives near me. I was beginning to think that I was the only one around this area.<br><br><br><br>
The Buffalo News had an article in the paper about it, and the following morning they talked about it on the news. I had to listen to my mom, brother, and his girlfriend bi**h about it, as I supposedly support every action taken by PETA, which I do not.<br><br><br><br>
For more information visit:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030422/ap_on_fe_st/peta_town_2" target="_blank">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...st/peta_town_2</a>
 

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Peta has done some pretty ridiculous things, but i have yet to hear anything as crazy as this.<br><br>
The following is an article that was in the Arizona Republic newspaper april 30:<br><br><br><br>
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Hamburg to PETA: Go bother Frankfurt<br><br>
Associated Press<br><br>
Apr. 30, 2003 12:00 AM<br><br><br><br><br><br>
HAMBURG, Pa. - An animal-rights group says it will donate $15,000 in vegetarian patties to area schools if officials change the borough's name to Veggieburg.<br><br><br><br>
But local officials say they're not biting.<br><br><br><br>
"I don't care if they offer us $1 million worth of veggie patties or $2 million in cash, I don't think anyone in the community would want to sell their heritage," said Mayor Roy C. DelRosario.<br><br><br><br>
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals says the name Hamburg conjures up images of slaughtered cows and unhealthful meals.<br><br><br><br>
The offer mirrors one PETA made this week to Hamburg, N.Y. Officials in the Buffalo suburb, which says it is the birthplace of the hamburger, turned down the offer.<br><br><br><br>
"This campaign is a bit tongue-in-cheek because we don't expect anybody to accept, but the offer is serious," PETA spokesman Joe Haptas said.<br><br><br><br>
Hamburg was incorporated in 1837 and is named after Hamburg, Germany.<br><br><br><br>
The mayor said the idea that people associate the borough with animal abuse is silly.<br><br><br><br>
"We don't have slaughterhouses in town, and we don't even have any animal farms," DelRosario said. "Our name is connected to our German history, not hamburgers."<br><br><br><br>
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Peta should stop wasting their time and money on hopeless, absurd campaigns like this and start focusing on more imortant issues.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedWolf90</i><br><br><b>"Our name is connected to our German history, not hamburgers."<br><br><br><br></b></div>
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No doubt. Hamburgers are named after the town in Germany, not the other way around. What's next, London has to change it's name because of London Broil?
 

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ok this is just plain out stupid. it will do no good to change hamburg to veggieburg and i think this is odvious . i think peta may be doing this for publicity. i mean i would feel pretty darn special if my actions led to the changing of a towns name. and doesnt peta get donations from hard working people. im feel sorry for those people who put money into a group they thought would use that money wisely. you got peta giving praise to burger king and mcdonalds for little chages they made when in fact burger king and mcdonalds are still making money off of slaughterd animals. then peta gets all mad about a town named hamburg. stupid! stupid! stupid! stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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i have to respect peta somewhat becouse a lot of info that led me to be vegan was from a peta website. and they probly get a lot of people to turn vegan. but when you are waisting money like they are its just plain out stupid.
 

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Awareness, awareness, awareness. People are talking, aren't they?<br><br><br><br>
Sure, PETA's crazy. Crazy like a fox.
 

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yes people are talking. they are talking about how stupid peta can be sometimes. all this is doing is giving peta negative attention. peta has done some things to make animal mistreatment brought more into the open . but this is doing NOTHING for any one animal.
 

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IMHO<br><br>
Calling PETA crazy like a fox is an insult to foxes.<br><br><br><br>
As a vegan and someone concerned about animal rights I think PETA and their aggressive often distasteful ad campaigns does more harm then good when it comes to the general populations opinion of AR people.
 

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I grew up in Hamburg and was around for the first "Hamburger Days" festival, in which the town proudly promotes itself as the birthplace of the hamburger (which actually originated in Hamburg, Germany, but who's counting!). While PETA's proposal is certainly generating publicity, it's the wrong kind. The proposal is so obvioulsy a stunt (b/c paying a town 15K in veggieburgers would not outway the BILLIONS of dollars it would cost to change a town name) that it's creating just one more example of PETA's extreme tactics that so many non-veggies scorn. Talk of the proposal is not going to make anyone consider going veggie - it's going to make him roll his eyes and say, "Those people are insane."<br><br><br><br>
I'm grateful to PETA for providing information like the animal testing and ingredients list, but Drew has a good point about people making donations to PETA just so they can spend the money conjuring up these ridiculous schemes.<br><br><br><br>
Hey PETA, if you REALLY want to make a difference, drop the proposal and donate the veggie burgers to the schools anyway, no strings attached.
 

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Inspiration for PETA actually came from the California Dairy Board:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/39.htm" target="_blank">http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/39.htm</a>
 

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I think that it's stupid. Renaming towns isn't really a good idea at all. If some ethnic equality group proposed that Blackpool (My home town) should be renamed Whitepool, since it's got a low amount of ethnic minorities, i'd take offense. Yes, Blackpool is Britain's white-trash, no-cash sh*thole, but it's always been called blackpool, presumably because the sea is black from all the sewage they dump in there.<br><br><br><br>
I'd equally take offense if I lived in Hamburg, and they tried to change the name to Veggieburg. Because hamburg has always been the name of the town, and I don't see why it should be changed at all. I'd definitely object to it.
 

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The point of my posting that link is that the Dairy industry did it first:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/4416232.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/4416232.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/weird/story/601488p-4656062c.html" target="_blank">http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/weird/s...-4656062c.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.maddogproductions.com/ds_gotmilk.htm" target="_blank">http://www.maddogproductions.com/ds_gotmilk.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
PETA was merely responding to it with this:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.peta.org/search/news/row.asp?id=2208" target="_blank">http://www.peta.org/search/news/row.asp?id=2208</a><br><br><br><br>
PETA responds to fall-out:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.peta.org/liv/c/79.html" target="_blank">http://www.peta.org/liv/c/79.html</a>
 

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Loki, no one would ever call it Whitepool, it would change to Colorpool, if anything.<br><br><br><br>
I do agree with changing the way we speak to disincluding animal terms to help erase our culture's reliance on animals. However, I feel most of these cases are far into the future when the nitpicky is what's on the mind of the animalists in the world and all else that's serious has already been changed.<br><br><br><br>
Even though this sounds like I'm applauding PeTA, I must say that I think they're acting too fast, and this is more of a case for the future, when it'll be taken seriously.
 

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I'm shocked.<br><br><br><br>
I see this from a completely different perspective. I'll bet that PETA knew from the start that Hamburg would never change their name to Veggieburg, and certainly not for a measley $15,000 (for a sizable town that is pocket change.) So, why did they do it?<br><br><br><br>
FREE PUBLICITY<br><br><br><br>
That's what PETA's all about, right? Do something crazy so that news groups write about them, and hundreds of thousands, and perhaps even millions, of contented omnivores stop for five minutes that day and think/talk about PETA, vegetarianism, and animal rights.<br><br><br><br>
And I think it would be nearsighted to say that everything they say about PETA or vegetarianism is going to be bad. Sure, most people aren't going to be won over by some cute stunt, but most people were omnivores before the stunt, anyway. The important thing is that a few forward thinking types see through PETA's "insanity" and actually start looking into the issue of animal rights.<br><br><br><br>
And even if the opposite were true, and Hamburg did change its name to Veggieburg, I think it would be a greater boon to vegetarianism than many of you are willing to admit. It would raise public awareness of veggie burgers, and make them more recognized by the public. It would say to those concerned with trendiness that vegetarianism is the wave of the future. It would also most likely eliminate Hamburg's ability to make themselves a tourist attraction celebrating meat-eating. If you take the name Hamburg away from the town of Hamburg, it will be very hard for people in that town to uphold their proud tradition of living in the town in which hamburgers were invented. It would destroy a tradition of omnivorism and begin a tradition of vegetarianism.<br><br><br><br>
For an organization that has an annual budget of $13 million, $15,000 is nothing. That's what this is all about: getting something for nothing.
 

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"It would also most likely eliminate Hamburg's ability to make themselves a tourist attraction celebrating meat-eating."<br><br><br><br>
I grew up there and trust me, Hamburg is anything BUT a tourist attraction. The Hamburger Festival is for the people of Hamburg to get together with neighbors, gossip, listen to music and try foods from different restaurants. No one travels from miles around to see the Burger fest - it's totally a local thing. Well it was, anyway, until PETA got involved. I was at the inaugural festival and have a shirt that says "On a roll in Hamburg, NY." If the festival becomes a tourist attraction, woo-hoo, that shirt is going on E-bay!<br><br><br><br>
"If you take the name Hamburg away from the town of Hamburg, it will be very hard for people in that town to uphold their proud tradition of living in the town in which hamburgers were invented. It would destroy a tradition of omnivorism and begin a tradition of vegetarianism."<br><br><br><br>
Except for the fact that the hamburger was named AFTER the town. The town was not named after the meat. Why doesn't PETA advocate that the hamburger change its name to something more realistic, like "ground cow parts," and leave the town out of it? And honestly, the whole thing is a crock - the term hamburger came from Hamburg, Germany, and not the little 'burb in upstate NY - it's just a reason to have a party.<br><br><br><br>
And, knowing the people of Hamburg, all this PETA publicity will give reason to have an even bigger, better burgerfest with even more meat! Of course, what I remember of the hamburger festivals had little to do with hamburgers and more to do with booze and kids making out in the alleys.<br><br><br><br>
My original suggestion still stands - PETA, send those $15,000 in veggie burgers to the schools anyway. It's a lot easier to change someone's eating habits when the stuff is free.
 

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this kind of **** pisses me off.<br><br><br><br>
its similar to the Feminist Action group I was a part of in college for a short while. we'd spend whole meeting discussing why the french language was bad because if there is a room full of men and one woman, you still refer to the group in the masculine form. And how in America, we are lucky because we can use gender non-specific language.<br><br><br><br>
Meanwhile, there were women being raped in droves (almost as an institution at some frat houses). We heard stories about the unspoken rule of "after 2am any women still left in the frat house are 'fair game." Girls would even tell us that when they went with their sorority sisters to a certain frat house, they all knew not to drink the punch which was almost always spiked with Rohybnol. Clearly, there was such a drastic need for education and support for these women. To help them see how F'ed up it is they want to party with jerks who want to rape them (let alone all the other unsuspecting women who are there who don't know about the punch and these girls didnt tell them).<br><br><br><br>
So what are we doing with our time? Having intellectual discussions about the power of gender non-specific language!<br><br><br><br>
WE HAVE TO PICK OUR BATTLES!! have any of these P.C. groups ever heard of prioritizing?!<br><br><br><br>
This is precisely why I stopped getting involved in this stuff. Political correctness has gotten so out of hand that we lose sight of the immediate needs and goals.<br><br><br><br>
All PETA is doing with this kind of thing is embarrassing vegans and vegetarians and causing the world to think we are ridiculous.<br><br><br><br>
ARGHHHHH!<br><br>
XOXO<br><br>
beth
 
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