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Just watching a UK TV program about the lengths, sometimes obsessive that women will go to, to conform to the apparent ideal that bald is best. Shaving, waxing, plucking, etc. It seems cruel that this is an ideal that women are expect to aspire to.<br><br><br><br>
What do others think?<br><br><br><br>
Have men become preconditioned to expect this from our women?
 

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I remember a young woman from like 8th or 9th grade. She was a brunette, so had dark leg hairs. But she wore skirts and nylon stockings, so her leg hairs were smushed up and visible through the nylons. It looked very weird.<br><br><br><br>
I guess she must have taken care of it somehow, because she wore nylons throughout high school, and I don't remember noticing anything unusual after the 8th grade.<br><br><br><br>
I also remember my microeconomics professor from college. She was a truly excellent teacher, but I remember that she had quite dark and fairly thick hair on her arms. They were like my arms, and I have body hair a bit like Sean Connery. But she was married, so I figured it was her and her husband's business, not mine.
 

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I don't expect it. If a girl wants to be hairy, that's fine with me. I think it can even look good on certain women. To be honest, I think body hair looks grosser on guys than it does on women.
 

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It's just a cultural thing that we are conditioned to, just like farting in some cultures is not gross, but in many others it is. In some cultures sneezing is like farting to us.<br><br><br><br>
I have never liked the hair on my legs since I was a child, even. I don't know why. Although I have grown it out on occasions since I became an adult, and I don't shave more than I have to (like in the winter, infrequently.) However, I do shave more if I expect people to see it.<br><br><br><br>
I don't find it opressive bc I don't abuse my body or anything, and I like it that way.<br><br><br><br>
But to those who would like to make our culture more open to hairy ladies, I'm all for it!!! (We had lots at my college, so I am very used to it.)<br><br><br><br>
I admit I generally don't like body hair on men, so if I am allowed to have that preference, then so can others.
 

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As far as male arm and leg hair, I must confess to really really liking it. One of my best guy friends, Nick, has a beard, so I'm growing accustomed to that (he's very touchy-feely), plus this fella I have a crush on now has a full beard. I can honestly say I hope he doesn't shave it any time soon.<br><br><br><br>
Growing up in a house of six females and one male, I would have expected to unquestioningly prefer the amount of hair commonly found on the females in my family. However, I'm shifting...
 

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I'm personally turned off by it. I tried on a couple of occassions but it just doesn't work for me. But certainly nobody should be ridiculed or tormented for choosing not to conform to another's standards.<br><br><br><br>
As long as a person's preferences do not encroach on the freedoms of another such that that person has less freedoms than the first person, then, as it were in this case, a woman can choose not to shave, and I can choose not to associate with her.
 

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Kreeli: he he, to be brutally honest my woman actually shaved me one night when I had a bit too much too drink. Talk about a bald turkey, and oh my GOD how itchy I became three days later.
 

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I was taking the greyhound across county and we stopped in like Wyoming or something at a covenience store and when i was going in I saw this girl on the phone and I gave her the old wolf whistle ,and she looked at me and smiled. Then I looked down and saw lots of fur on her calfs. I remember thinking that it made her less attractive but she was still hot.<br><br><br><br>
Now I myself remove most of my bodily hair (which I started doing because my leg hairs would get caught on p-bars) and find that it actually serves to reduce bodily odors and this is why I think the practice was originally taken by women.<br><br><br><br>
Ohh and I just trim my hair down to the root. No shaving ,except my face because beards get all dirty and sweaty and can cause acne.
 

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Difficult subject.<br><br><br><br>
I think there is a natural desire to be wanted/appreciated and external beauty can be seen as a form of this. I dont have a problem with that (within limits).<br><br><br><br>
I do dress-up sometimes. In exceptional cases I will wear a tie.<br><br>
A tie can be a symbol to show off or to pay respect.<br><br><br><br>
On the other hand I also have the feeling that this beauty is somehow forced on woman.<br><br>
This originates from the row-model that is put on us by advertisements/commercials.<br><br><br><br>
So I guess I dont have a problem with what people do, but when its not a 100% free choice, then I think its wrong.<br><br><br><br>
Its my opinion that a lot of what people want is not their own choice, but the result of the brainwash by commercials.
 

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Yeah, but it's still ultimately 100% their choice. More than commercials have brainwashed women in regards to attractiveness, but that's a whole 'nother thread.<br><br><br><br>
I totally respect women who choose not to shave. I kind of admire it because I know that it goes against what most of the American GP may classify as 'attractive'. To those strong sista's <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 

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My gf hasn't shaved her legs in.........years.<br><br><br><br>
I think it's just like beards; the more you shave the more the hair grows.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
MsRuthieB: your right, every can choose for them selfes.<br><br>
Maybe I'm getting a bid to frustrated by all these commercials.
 

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Dude, In the first place women have been shaving a lot longer than weve had commercials ,second ,How is hair removal a difficult subject? and finally ,if you think TV is brainwashing you ,Dont watch it.<br><br><br><br>
Ive made up a little skit to go along with. Maybe it would make a good brainwashing commercial.<br><br><br><br>
'The scene is two men in a suana ,man A is shuffling uncomfortably.'<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Whats the matter Bob? You look nervous.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- No no Im just err fidgety thats all. (Man A forces himself to stop squirming while Man B srutinizes then looks away to make small talk)<br><br><br><br>
Man B- How about that game ,huh? Those boys sure gave it their all.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- uh-huh (starts fideting again but slightly with increasing tempo as Man B continues to talk to the ceiling)<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Reminds me of when I was their age. I used to play the same game you know. Theres really nothing lik....<br><br><br><br>
(Man A suddenly lets out a yelp and starts to furiously grind his backside into the seat as if to scratch at it w/out actually scratching it)<br><br><br><br>
Man B- My god man what is wrong with you!?<br><br><br><br>
Man A- Alright Ill tell you ... I have a horrible itch and I cant get rid of it and Its Driving Me Crazy!!!<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Say no more good man. I used to have the same problem untill I found a fantastic lotion in my wifes cupboard.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- Wh..what was it??<br><br><br><br>
Man B- It was called Nair and once I used it on my backside all my problems were gone.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- But thats a hair removal cream.<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Yes ,thats right, just think about it my good man. Just look at your anus (Man A hesitates) go on look at it already. (hesitates again then looks) do you see that??<br><br><br><br>
Man A- What am I looking for (looks ... looks ,then turns his crack to Man B) I dont see it.<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Good god I didnt mean for you to point that at me but ,since you did ,do you see that?<br><br><br><br>
Man A- No<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Ha ha ,my friend, it looks like the enchanted forest without all its enchantments.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- So.<br><br><br><br>
Man B- So?? Well just how much of your domestic waste do you think gets caught up in that beurocratic wall of red tape as you try to extradite it to another country??<br><br><br><br>
Man A- I never thought about it like that.<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Well maybe now you will. At least untill you can afford laser surgery that is.<br><br><br><br>
Man A- Wow thanks who would have thought that a hairy crack could have caused so much discomfort. Anyways thanks for the advice but ,well, I hope you understand that I hope to never see you again ,you know this is pretty embarrassing and...<br><br><br><br>
Man B- Say no more ,those were my sentiments exactly<br><br><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by WyldFyre</i><br><br><b>How is hair removal a difficult subject? and finally ,if you think TV is brainwashing you ,Dont watch it.</b></div>
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Jon asked peoples opinion, and I had to think it over to determine where I stand on this. I didn't have a good answer at first.<br><br><br><br>
He made me think, and that's always good.<br><br><br><br>
It's ok to shave, as Vegan I would like to say, don't use Gillette if that's possible.<br><br>
There are Vegan shaving "creams", for men, but I don't know if you can also use these for your legs. (I guess so)<br><br><br><br>
I watch TV, aprox once a month for half an hour, maybe that has made me more sensitive for the commercials.
 

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Ohh ok ,I got you. Yeah ,I know what you mean about those razors too ,they all have that strip and Im like 'I bet that strip isnt vegan' So Im forced to buy the really crappy single edged ones.
 

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No, I thought they test the blades to see if there not to sharp or if they have the right angle in the thing that holds them.<br><br><br><br>
I have to say that I could be completely wrong about this.<br><br>
But I know some are sold with the claim "not tested on animals"<br><br>
Who knows: maybe this is a false claim and are razorblades never tested on animals. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 
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