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It is my belief that there are more women vegans than men due to the FACT that women (in general but I know there are a few exceptions) are more compassionate and have less social pressures from their mates.<br><br><br><br>
eg. Blokes would make fun of a guy who was vegan, but girls would respect it.<br><br><br><br>
What do you think?
 

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I don't think women are necessarily all that more sensitive than men genetically, though perhaps somewhat due to the maternal instinct. I think a large amount of sensitivity is based on one's upbringing. I've always considered myself sensitive, sometimes overly so, and I attribute this to being raised by a liberal mother, as opposed to my traditionalist, conservative father.<br><br><br><br>
Sure, some guys raised in the that tradition think I'm weak, gay, whatever, but I could give a bleep what they think of me. I'd rather be attuned to the world around me than closed off to it. I think it makes me a better person.
 

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I am also overly sensitive, and that is probably ecasue my mom is too. I can pick up everyone's emotions, and "vibes". Well, most the time.
 

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Yeah there are more female vegans for the reasons you stated, IMO. Doesn't bother me because it improves my odds of attracting a vegan chick! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/naughty.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":naughty:">
 

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It's all social conditioning. The belief that women are more compassionate than men is bunk. It might appear that way because men are taught/told/conditioned to view mercy/compassion/sensitivity as weak. But, there are a lot of gender biased concepts that are thrust upon both men and women that are foolish. It just takes a bit of extra work to rise above them.<br><br><br><br>
BTW, the maternal instinct thing is also a load. Just like hamsters eating a few of their kidlings not all human women-folk are all that hot to raise sprogs.
 

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I too think it's social conditioning. I'm sensible like a.... girl? LOL! Then again, I'm veggie... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
BTW, is social conditioning not a two way street? Are girls "taught" to be sensitive?<br><br><br><br><br><br><i>However</i>, the question was not about if it's genetic or not. I think the average woman IS more sensitive than the average man and thus I think that sappyvegan may well be right.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Quizeen</i><br><br><b>BTW, the maternal instinct thing is also a load. Just like hamsters eating a few of their kidlings not all human women-folk are all that hot to raise sprogs.</b></div>
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But this is not correct. Maternal instinct IS genetic and as such verrrrry strong in women.<br><br><br><br>
The comparison to hamsters is not a good one, because humans and hamsters have adapted to quite different circumstances and pressures with respect to offspring and the survival of their genes (lifespan, number of babies, frequency of giving birth), and thus have evolved different instincts.<br><br><br><br>
The hamster mother does not eat her kidlings because she's mean or is "not hot" to raise them, but because it is her instinct to eat them. It ensures her and the remaining babies' survival in times of scarcity. It not only reduces the number of hungry mouths to feed, but eating some of them also nurtures the mother, giving back at least a fraction of the energy she had to invest in it. Isn't nature amazingly perfect and efficient?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
A human baby is always the sole child (with the exemption of twins), and requires a LOT more time and energy expenditure, and as such is always very precious to the mother (and father).<br><br><br><br>
But these are instincts and can (and sometimes will) be sufficiently suppressed by external influences (i.e. memes) to not be influential or even recognizable at all (-> rogue mothers).<br><br><br><br>
However, I do think there is evidence that compassion and sensitivity is a human instinct present in BOTH sexes. In current societies, it is suppressed in men more often than in women.
 

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I was raised by both parents. Actually my dad is more supportive of my choices than my mom. I think women are more emotional by nature for reasons biological. What I mean is that females are more biologically geared to raise children because in primitive human and modern "lower" primate societies many females would mate with one male in the group, the dominant or Alpha male. Clearly, one male cannot give emotional attention to tons of offspring and so he does not have the same capacity for this as the female. Perhaps we will evolve in a different direction now that the role of the female in our society has changed.
 

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i was raised by both<br><br><br><br>
while i could say my mum was more supportive of me turning vege, i reaslise too that if my dad wasnt such a lover of animals and the countryside, i would never have even got interested in the whole thing. he still ate them but hey that was a different generation, they did their bit...
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Michael</i><br><br><b>I would be curious to know how many of the male veg*ns here were raised by their mothers. I was.</b></div>
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Yup, me too. Buncha momma's boys. Is it any wonder the meat-eating guys are a bunch of d*cks about us being vegan?<br><br><br><br>
Odd thing is that my mom isn't very emotional, though I think that's prescription based, but she was still kind of distant mom. Still, I barely saw my dad, and my mom's feminist ways rubbed off on me whether I wanted them to or not. At this point in my life, I'm glad they did.
 

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I was raised by both parents and am vegan...well, depending on who you ask since I eat honey but abstain in all other areas to the best of my ability. My dad occasionally gives me a very hard time about it, but he's even more bitter than me (btw i'm bitter) so I've come to expect an outburst every once in a while.<br><br><br><br>
But I'm a guy and some say I'm a vegan.<br><br><br><br>
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I was raised by my mom too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">. However, my father is vegetarian as well.<br><br><br><br>
(I'm not vegan at the moment)<br><br><br><br>
All/most of the sh*t I've gotten about my vegetarianism has come from guys. This might be just a 'group thing'.
 

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Like most nature/nurture debates, I think it's a bit of both. <i>Maybe</i> women are "more sensitive," but <i>if</i> you're a man who's "sensitive" you will face pressures not to express it.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Peebs</i><br><br><b>Yeah there are more female vegans for the reasons you stated, IMO. Doesn't bother me because it improves my odds of attracting a vegan chick!</b></div>
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I like your attitude, Peebs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> I always say, there's nothing sexier than a straight man who eats veg and has gay buddies. Talk about confidence!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by sunnyk</i><br><br><b>I always say, there's nothing sexier than a straight man who eats veg and has gay buddies. Talk about confidence!</b></div>
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I agree. That's why I think my husband is darn cute. Our gay neighbor/friend just left after consuming some potato mole enchiladas I just made <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I'm with peebs-I have better odds of finding a vegan chick than they have of finding vegan guys.<br><br><br><br>
As far as nature/nurture goes, from what I know of psychology (which isn't too much, but it's a lot more than nothing,) it seems that nature most probably plays a large role in determining sensitivity, though it does not have a monopoly on these elements of our personality. It's very improbable that it's all, or even almost all, social conditioning.
 
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