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I had posted this in the vegan challenge thread, but thought it might be smart to create a thread of it's own about my problem.<br><br>
I tried the 30 day vegan challenge and failed, and now I feel miserable about myself.<br><br>
The problem is, I have a B12 absorption problem, I already was aware of this when I was omni and got injections, and now as a vegetarian with supplements it seems to be going well. However, whenever I try to be vegan my body gives me the same problems as when I really suffered from the B12 shortage, while I do take supplements.<br><br>
Has anyone got any advice on going vegan with a B12 problem?
 

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This sounds like pernicious anemia. I suggest talking with your physician ASAP -- you may need to continue getting injections, as this is probably the only way to guarantee that the B12 is getting to your bloodstream.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SadieP</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2831756"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
This sounds like pernicious anemia. I suggest talking with your physician ASAP -- you may need to continue getting injections, as this is probably the only way to guarantee that the B12 is getting to your bloodstream.</div>
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I have talked to him, and my blood has been drawn for testing again today. New results will be in next week. However I've always had a B12 absorption problem, and he said I should eat meat, but I refused because I stand firmly for my principles. So now I am vegetarian, but I was hoping someone could give other advice or knows some website or proffessional I could email my question to?<br><br>
Or might just getting injections solve it and I can still go vegan?
 

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Ahh!! Look what I found!! <a href="http://www.theveganrd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theveganrd.com/</a> There's contact info and everything!<br><br>
Hope this helps <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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What kind of absorption problem? Do you lack intrinsic factor or is your intestine physically damaged?<br><br>
What kind of supplements do you take, sublingual or the kind you swallow?<br><br>
Some people can't absorb vitamin B12 in the intestine. They can eat all the B12-rich animal products in the world and take a bunch of B12 pill but it wont help, they need B12 injections (or maybe sublingual supplements but i think if they want to take the route they should consult with a healthcare provider to make sure that method works).
 

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Maybe I missed something - if you got injections even while you were omni, why would you stop getting them now? If you can't absorb B12, dietary supplements aren't going to help much.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RunnerVeggie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2831817"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Maybe I missed something - if you got injections even while you were omni, why would you stop getting them now? If you can't absorb B12, dietary supplements aren't going to help much.</div>
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Because my doctor is against the use of too heavy medicine if it can be done with less medicine, which is why I am being tested again today. I've only been vegetarian for two months, and I had my blood tested in December so this is all recent stuff I found out! I am still in the process of finding out what exactly is the best treatment; which is why I am asking for advice here.
 

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What kind of absorption problem? Do you lack intrinsic factor or is your intestine physically damaged?<br><br>
What kind of supplements do you take, sublingual or the kind you swallow?<br><br>
Some people can't absorb vitamin B12 in the intestine. They can eat all the B12-rich animal products in the world and take a bunch of B12 pill but it wont help, they need B12 injections (or maybe sublingual supplements but i think if they want to take the route they should consult with a healthcare provider to make sure that method works).</div>
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They are still working on what kind of problem it is, I don't know yet. However various blood tests gave a lower than average b12 level, which is why I first got injections and when it got a bit higher I got pills. My blood has been checked again yesterday and I am getting the results next week because the doctor isn't sure yet if I have an absorption problem or not. I will know next week.<br><br>
I just want to know beforehand, if it is wise/possible to be vegan nonetheless. Because I think my doctor doesn't agree; he wants me to start eating meat again.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SadieP</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2831788"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Ahh!! Look what I found!! <a href="http://www.theveganrd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theveganrd.com/</a> There's contact info and everything!<br><br>
Hope this helps <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I just want to know beforehand, if it is wise/possible to be vegan nonetheless. Because I think my doctor doesn't agree; he wants me to start eating meat again.</div>
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It is entirely possible to be vegan if you have absorption problems, but you MUST have a B12 injection every three months.
 

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I have absorption issues too and injections do pretty much nothing. I have been taking methycobalamin supplements and they are amazing. My levels are around 1000 now. I recently had some testing done and my levels were around 1200. I stopped taking the supplements for about 8 months and when I was retested I was down to 400. I started taking them again and just six months later I'm back around 1000.<br><br>
I do tend to forget to take them everyday which I really have to be careful about since it drops so quickly. I highly suggest you try taking this as well. Methylcobalamin is an already converted form of b12 which is much easier to absorb then cyanocobalamin (which I apparently can't absorb at all).<br><br>
I've been vegan for about 4-5 years now and I would have the same absorption problem even if I ate meat. So, it is possible to be a vegan even with this problem.<br><br>
eta: After 5 months of injections my b12 levels had only been raised by about 100 which was useless since I was under 200 at that time. So the injections really didn't help and the doctor stopped giving them to me. That's when I switched to the methylcobalamin. And he did say it was due to absorption issues and not my diet. I wasn't vegan at that time, but I was vegetarian.
 

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Sorry you have a mystery problem, i hope you find a way to manage it and hopefully find out what is causing it soon. One thing i think may be important is to make sure you're not eating too much algae/seaweed. They make a nonfunctional analog of B12 that is a completive inhibitor to B12.<br><br>
whisper, are you taking sublingual supplements or since it's methycobalamin it doesn't matter if you swallow it or dissolve it under the tongue?<br><br>
On a lighter note i think NOT eating meat is better for my B12 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"> I liked really rare meat and it was only a matter of time before i would have gotten my hands on carpaccio and tartare. It's possible to get intestinal worms from raw meat and those buggers are terrible for B12.
 

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The ones I get now are sublingual, but I have had chewable ones before.
 

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As far as I know (and I'm repeating other posters here), if you were an omni with a B12 deficiency, you have an absorption problem.<br><br>
It's not a diet problem.<br><br>
B12 is dang hard to screw up on. A healthy person could skip B12 for a month and probably not show any problems. The body is *very* efficient at recycling it, and thus it takes a long time to drop. We need it in such minuscule amounts that it's really hard for an omni or a vegetarian to get too little. Even as a vegan, a serving or two of almost any B12-fortified food is more than enough.<br><br>
So get to a doctor to deal with this. It's not going to be solved through diet, but through treatment.
 
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