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I happened across this in my research of our elected officials. I'm starting early in gathering info so I can make an informed decision on who to vote for in the next Presidential election.<br><br><br><br>
Released yesterday:<br><br><i>Lieberman, McCain Offer Plan Harnessing Market Forces To Counter Global Warming. Bipartisan "cap and trade" bill would guarantee greenhouse gas reductions through private sector innovation.</i><br><br><br><br>
Read on my friend, read on.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://mccain.senate.gov/globalwarmintro.htm" target="_blank">http://mccain.senate.gov/globalwarmintro.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
Hey, at least someone is thinking about it.
 

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McCain brought the recent CAFE Standards proposal to the table last year. It was tabled by the Senate.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> I have to admit, though, McCain is much more appealing than Bush.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by FemmeDemonica</i><br><br><b><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> I have to admit, though, McCain is much more appealing than Bush.</b></div>
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Yeah, at least he was funny on SNL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Lieberman? I dunno... Can you imagine a jewish president? What a departure, huh? I guess if we can have a Southern Baptist (Clinton) then anything's possible.<br><br><br><br>
Predictions:<br><br><br><br>
Bush over Gephart in oh-four.<br><br>
Daschel over Bush (Jeb) in oh-8 (with strong showings by Lizzy Dole and H.R. Clinton)<br><br>
Guliani/Lizzy Dole over Dashel<br><br><br><br>
politics will then end.<br><br><br><br>
Kyoto.
 

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I don't think Guiliani or Daschle will ever run. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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"Cap and trade" is a concept which resulted from the Kyoto Protocol, which requires signatory nations to cut their emissions by a set amount. Based upon those amounts, each nation puts caps on their industries and necessarily upon domestic companies. "To make the caps more feasible, some countries are setting up trading schemes, which permit companies that can't cut enough emissions on their own to buy compensating credits from others that cut more than their share." The Bush administration rejected the Kyoto treaty. See Jeffrey Ball, New Market Shows Industry Moving on Global Warming, The Wall Street Journal, January 16, 2003.<br><br><br><br>
The idea of creating a "market for pollution" is a concept that has been floating around among law and economics scholars for a while. The point is to increase efficiency. As I see it, efficiency will be increased because certain companies/industries will have a harder (or near impossible) time than others reducing emissions. If, as will happen, a company can not reduce its emissions what should we do? We could fine them, but then the government would get the money and who knows where/how they will use it. Alternatively, we could let them, in a way, have to buy the excess reduction of another company. As you can see, this will encourage those companies which can further cut emissions to do so - because they can sell the excess (recoup their costs).
 

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Clinton was a Southern Baptist in name only, IMO. Did he even appear to meet the expectations of that denomination? I don't think so. What made him 'Southern Baptist'? Was it much more than him being seen exiting or entering a SB congregation a few times?
 

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Gawd help us if Leiberman wins the Dem nomination in '04 - thought Gore was bad enough? Jeez, Leiberman hardly finds a Bush policy he doesn't drool over.<br><br><br><br>
Not to mention he's horribly inarticulate, boring, and a total hawk.<br><br><br><br>
I plan to work on Sharpton's campaign, and barring any other progressive surprise and barring Sharpton actually pulling down the nomination, I'll probably then go to bat for the Green candidate.<br><br><br><br>
But, back on topic, this proposal smells of corporations policing themselves, which is worse than the fox guarding the henhouse, or the Cattlemen's Association testing beef for e. coli and mad cow, or whatever analogy you prefer. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Corporations can't even be trusted to be environmentally friendly when they're forced to pay into Superfund. This proposal sounds even weaker than Superfund.
 

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Sharpton? LMAO! Progressive? Nah, just another money hungry whore and shill.<br><br><br><br>
If you go to any of his rallies, ask him how Tawana is doing now.
 

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You could get away with calling Jesse Jackson a money hungry shill, but I believe Sharpton unfairly gets labelled along with Jackson.<br><br><br><br>
I've listened to Sharpton speak, and he's very articulate and knowledgable, depsite the stereotypes of a black preacher-type attitude. I like the guy, and I've never seen evidence that he's half as bad as the media makes him out to be.<br><br><br><br>
And right now he's the *only* candidate in the Dem field who has come out and taken up actual progressive positions. The other Dems are just a buncha elitist corporatist DLC-jockies, fighting to see who can smile for the camera the most and pull down the largest chunk of corporate cash. Screw that.<br><br><br><br>
Sharpton isn't a perfect man, but neither am I. But he is the best person to have announced their intention to seek the Democratic nomination so far.
 

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Yeah, but I can' t get past the role he had in the Tawana Brawley scandal either. Unscrupulous and just down right pathetic <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Read a little more about Sharpton and his involvement in the Tawana Brawley case. I believe Al also had some involvement in instigating a race riot in the 80s or early 90s which led to some businesses being burned down (and a death or two - though I might be mistaken about that.)
 

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I know about Sharpton's involvement in the Bradley case, and I fail to see what the big deal is, personally. He chose to believe a black woman when she said she was raped - and he went to bat for her when she was drug through the mud. I honestly don't know if she was telling the truth, but I also don't know why it's such a big deal that for him to choose to believe her.<br><br><br><br>
As for race riots, I find the notion that he somehow incited a race riot out of a peaceful happy situation for no reason hard to stomach (not that that's what you're saying, but it's how it sounds).<br><br><br><br>
The man is highly respectable in my opinion. These so-called "race riots" (so labelled by the media) are usually the spawn of real-life hardcore problems. When a community fights back (in this case the black community), it's labelled "race riots" and the perceived leaders are, of course, then accused of inciting said riot. I think it's a buncha bologna.<br><br><br><br>
Not to mention the whole charge of "inciting a riot" is used to target grassroots activists all across the globe whenever they become effective, not just black leaders. Scores of people were arrested at the Republican National Convention in 2000, for example, on charges of "inciting a riot." When pressed, however, it was determined that "leaders" of the protests were identified by whoever happened to be using cell-phones and pointing and/or wearing black. The police department actually submitted the cellphones as evidence to these charges!<br><br><br><br>
Anytime activists become effective and a real grassroots momentum begins, the story is the same. The leaders are targetted, usually with charges of inciting a riot, the FBI moles infiltrate the groups to spread dissent and rumors that divide the coalitions (much like a lot of the slander used by CoIntelPro in the 60's).<br><br><br><br>
The black community, and especially the leaders in the black community, are constantly the target of media slander and distortion. If they're black, and they're organized, they must be like the Black Panthers on crack, by golly! Run, lock your doors, white-suburban middle-classers! The proles are restless!<br><br><br><br>
Phooey! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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First, don't start talking to me about the "black community". There are many of us out there who don't but into the Jackson/Sharpton horse****.<br><br><br><br>
Second, he didn't just choose to believe Brawley. He trumpeted her accusations (ever see the list of who she accused) and made the case a media circus. He, and her other advisors, advised her not to give grand jury testimony that would help clear up the matter. As more and more evidence came out that showed she was most likely lying to avoid punishment from her stepfather, Sharpton and her cronies still continued to evade the truth and make politically based attacks on the accused.<br><br><br><br>
Here is a little piece about some of his other activities:<br><br><br><br>
(I have a site with some more quotes attributed to the "Honorable" "Reverend" Sharpton - I'll see if I can dig it up.)<b>Fredi's Fashion Mart Massacre:<br><br><br><br>
In 1995 Reverend Sharpton's National Action Network led two months of on-going protest outside the 125th Street, Harlem business known as Fredi's Fashion Mart, which was owned by a Sephardic Jew, Fredi Harari.Seething ethnic rage and hate against "white interlopers" fueled the protest. Sharpton often joined the crowds himself seemingly content to be surrounded by terrorists taunting such odious chants as "bloodsucking Jews" "crackers" and "Jew bastards."<br><br><br><br>
He also fomented the ethnic strife on Black operated radio stations like WLIB.<br><br><br><br>
"I'm gonna go down there, and do what is necessary to let them know that we are not turnin' 125th Street back over to outsiders as it was done in the early part of this century.This is a sin and a shame and a disgrace, and we should not under any circumstances sit by and allow this to happen without a major reaction." Sharpton - September 9, 1995 WLIB.<br><br><br><br>
Sharpton also frequently appeared with a host of armchair anti-Semites who waxed eloquently:<br><br><br><br>
"And I serving notice today on a Jewish community, that if you don't stop accusing Reverend Al Sharpton, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Gary Byrd, Reverend Del Shields and Donna Wilson of being anti-Semitic, we will marshal six million black men and women and boycott every Jewish owned business throughout the United States.we will boycott you and nobody loves money any more than the Jewish people." Norman "Grandad" Reide - October 21, 1995 WLIB<br><br><br><br>
Again the words are very carefully chosen, the number six million having particular power with anyone aware of the Holocaust.<br><br><br><br>
As in the Crown Heights Krystal Nacht, this experiment in ethnic intolerance ended badly, as one of Sharpton's protesters, apparently overcome with the sprit of retribution so calculatingly stoked by Sharpton, entered the Fashion Mart shooting and killing at least 3 shoppers and finally burning to death an additional 5 as the establishment was torched to the ground on December 9, 1995.</b><br><br><br><br>
Oh, and before you dismiss this as being a tenuous connection, don't forget that the "progressive" among us have used similar arguments aginst the leaders of Neo-Nazi/Klan type organizations.
 

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<i>" First, don't start talking to me about the "black community". There are many of us out there who don't but into the Jackson/Sharpton horse****."</i><br><br><br><br>
I'm sorry, but I will speak of whatever I like. You're free to not "buy into the Jackson/Sharpton horse****," and I'm free to say I believe Sharpton is a good man.<br><br><br><br>
As for the rest of your post, it's seethingly biased against Sharpton. My lord, you actually expect me to believe that's an accurate and unbiased account of what happened?<br><br><br><br>
Sorry, I'm not that naive. I've been around the block a few times and am a veteran in politics - I can smell a smear story a mile away, and that one you posted hardly even makes an effort to conceal it's intent.
 

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After reading the tripe you write, I guess you would claim to be a smear expert.<br><br><br><br>
Remember, sunshine, I am a member of the black community - and there is a fair number of us who can see through Sharpton's smoke screen.<br><br><br><br>
Do you deny the facts of the Tawana Brawley case? Are you aware that Sharpton and his cronies lost the civil suit for defamation?<br><br><br><br>
Check into the article I posted. See if you can find anything that disputes the basis of the story. Sharpton was involved, and his incitement involved more than carrying around a cell phone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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lol, I'm going to withdraw from this silly argument now. Clearly my initial assessment that we could actually discuss the issue was flawed. My time is too valuable to waste running in circles.<br><br><br><br>
p.s. - I would advise you not go around dismissing everyone who has a different opinion of you as writing "tripe," it makes you look closed-minded, and I also noticed your tendency to start calling people silly names when you get uncomfortable, I would also advise you try to deal with your insecurities about women... btw, I'm a guy, but feel free to call me sunshine anyway, it makes me feel special. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Mera'din</i><br><br><b>btw, I'm a guy, but feel free to call me sunshine anyway, it makes me feel special. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></b></div>
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Cool...for some reason I was thinking you were a woman too. I'm not sure why though. Sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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