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http://cbc.ca/stories/2003/01/03/fur030103

Canadian furriers see rise in sales

Updated Fri, 03 Jan 2003 8:54:20

MONTREAL - Canada's fur industry is boasting an improvement in sales for the year 2002, and furriers are predicting even better business next year.

Popularity of fur in Canada has never rebounded from a barrage of negative publictiy by animal rights groups in the 1980s. But people in Canada's fur industry say sales to foreign markets are on the rise.

Tina Jagros, executive director of the North American Fur Association, says Canada exports more than $300 million worth of furs every year.

"In many countries, like Russia and China, people don't use their cars as much. Fur is very important to keep warm."

Liz White, director of the Animal Alliance of Canada, says the fur industry is all about public relations "and putting a happy face on an issue that is not particularly happy."

White says even some of the newer game traps that have padding to minimize pain are cruel because animals are trapped in the cold, sometimes for days.

"No food, no shelter, no water for 24 hours, sometimes even five days in this country. I don't know how anybody could possibly call that humane," she says.

White says organizations such as hers successfully persuaded Canadians not to wear fur, and she hopes consumers in other countries will see fur coats as frivolous and inhumane as well.
 

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They talk about how they need fur to keep warm. That's not true. There are so many other warm alternatives to fur just like there are to leather (we don't need it) and meat (we don't need it either). There is no such thing as a humane trap especially when afterwards the animal will be skinned and sometimes alive.
 

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White says organizations such as hers successfully persuaded Canadians not to wear fur, and she hopes consumers in other countries will see fur coats as frivolous and inhumane as well.
Not to debate anything here, but that should probably read her group persuaded "some" Canadians to not wear fur. I know where I live, there's more people walking around here this time of year with fur trimmed jackets, fur mittens, etc than there are not wearing fur.

Typically speaking, groups such as hers persuade those in high population areas of the country, but likely have a lot less effect on the smaller communities, especially the more nothernly towns and cities. Most small towns I have lived in or visited here in Canada usually dislike and/or, pay little attention to, "outsiders" trying to change how they live.

Birdlady, I know several trappers. I'm certainly not a trapper, but I do know a few. And, I can tell you that none of those I know would even attempt to skin a live animal. Ever try to give a cat a bath? Try taking its fur off while its alive. Not gonna happen.
 

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You may not like what you hear. But if they come up to a trap and ther animal is still alive, they'll either shoot it in the head or whack it with the blunt end of an axe. Not the blade end, the big flat end of a heavy axe.

Like i said, I'm not a trapper and also not exactly a fan of it. But to find out for myself I have actually gone on trap lines to see how it all worked. I've watched these trappers spend hours and hours in the offseason replacing rusty parts, oiling lines, etc in order to effect a "quick kill". The guys I know all check their lines twice per day unless it is a location fairly far away. In those cases, it is done daily.

One thing I will say, I went about a dozen or so times and only saw one red fox that was alive. All the rest were dead. And, i'd say in about 95% or higher of those dead, there was little to no struggle. You can tell if there was no struggle cause there's no amount of tracks or the camoflage debris and branches, twigs and sticks were not disturbed.

Having said that, I don't think it would be a stretch to assume that not all trappers operate in the same fashion or take the same measures to ensure a quick kill.
 

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In my PETA magazine I got fur cards. The front says "You look pretty in fur..." and on the back it says "PRETTY UGLY." I handed one out yesterday and the lady gave me a dirty look. I wonder why... I wonder why...


I just thought I tell someone.
 

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One thing I will say, I went about a dozen or so times and only saw one red fox that was alive. All the rest were dead. And, i'd say in about 95% or higher of those dead, there was little to no struggle.
"No struggle" doesn't equate "no suffering". Also, that one fox is one reason too many to allow trapping to continue.
 

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Tsila, I never said I agreed or disagreed with the practice. All I was saying is that it is a misleading statement to say "Canadians" (implying All Canadians) were persuaded to not wear fur.

Like most controversial topics, since there are more voters and "special interest groups" living in the bigger populated cities, often times their views get forced on to those living in more remote regions, whether they like it or not.
 

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I see an increase in fur wearing people in Europe.

Fur is hip / hot/ fashionable (not my opinion)

People dont wear fur coats, but a lot of coats have a little fur edge on it.

Most people seem to think its synthetic.

Only a good close look can tell the difference.

Dog/Cat fur is banned in the USA so its more imported to Europe now.

Animals that are trapped can suffer for quite a while. Ive seen a video of that.

I could barely make myself see the end of the tape.
 

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I've watched these trappers spend hours and hours in the offseason replacing rusty parts, oiling lines, etc in order to effect a "quick kill".
Sadly, the offspring of trapped animals are not afforded the 'courtesy' of a quick death.
 

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I read in the Friends of Animals newsletter that the Canadian gov't is threatening humane charities with a loss of nonprofit status if they criticize the fur industry.

As a result, according to the writer, the biggest humane groups have stopped advertising their position on fur altogether.

A lack of dissenting voices on the fur issue may have also helped boost sales.
 
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