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This is a strange thing that I have heard of some "vegans" doing....they call it being a freegan- from what I understand, it's a vegan who will eat foods containing animal products, only if the food is free. I think the justification is supposed to be that if their money doesn't support the killing of animals, then it's okay to eat it.<br><br>
Personally, I would never do this, and the argument is weak. I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on this issue. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the reasons for this??<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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I think it's for people who like the idea of having some sort of "cause" but aren't true. These are usually the same people who re-invent themselves to be something they're not to impress. A vegan to me is someone who does not consume, wear or endorse animal products. Being a "freegan" is an excuse to eat meat.
 

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All I can say is - LOL! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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*shrugs* Though I can completely understand the intention of such a lifestyle--to spare the wasting of food--I've always found those I've met who practice freeganism to simply be lazy "vegans."<br><br><br><br>
I mean, I've met freegans who will eat their roommates cheese pizza because they (the freegan) didn't pay for it. (?) And there are those people who practice freeganism while dumpster diving, but for them the dumpster diving is just something for fun--they don't actually rely on dumpster diving as a means of sustinance.<br><br><br><br>
It's just trend. Or so I think.
 

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um i used to know people who did this and although i would never do it... i dont think its lame at all<br><br><br><br>
its not like they are going to the deli area of the grocery store and getting 19 samples of ham and cheese<br><br><br><br>
most of them pull their free food off the street, out of the garbage aka dumpster diving<br><br>
its food that definitely would have been wasted otherwise<br><br>
a lot of them do this primarily outside vegetarian restaurants and health food stores, etc<br><br>
its the kind of thing where you find a pizza... you scrape off the meat and cheese and you eat it<br><br><br><br>
you say that they just need a cause and well they have more then one<br><br><br><br>
they arent purchasing any food with animal products in it<br><br>
and they helping to reduce waste<br><br><br><br>
im sorry, but i dont know about you all... but i went to a restaurant one time that was allegedly vegan... i order my food... ive taken like 2 bites and then i find out that the ketchup and other condiments have honey in them, therefore not vegan...<br><br>
so do i waste the food and have it thrown away?<br><br>
or do i eat the honey?<br><br><br><br>
damn right, i ate the honey food<br><br>
we also complained that honey wasnt vegan<br><br>
and that we wouldnt support the place again for tricking us and our fellow vegans<br><br><br><br>
now would i have eaten it if there was meat or dairy in the food? the idea of eating a fellow animals flesh is too much to even think about... so no i wouldnt have eaten it. i also would not have gotten more food right then either<br><br>
for dairy, i have to send it back.... dairy makes me very very sick for 2-3 days<br><br><br><br>
i found all your responses to be kinda shocking<br><br><br><br>
lame to me is people who are 'vegetarian' but still eat fish<br><br>
or 'vegans' that still eat honey or 'just a little dairy'<br><br><br><br>
Caroline
 

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There's a BIG difference between eating a sandwhich that, halfway through it, you find your condiment has honey in it, and the laziness of scarfing down your roommie's leftover cheese pizza simply because you didn't pay for it, thus not contributing to the monetary consumption of animal products.<br><br><br><br>
Like I said, I find nothing contemptible about the idea of freeganism, but those freegans I've met are hardly the epitome of that idea...
 

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i dont know, maybe recently its become the new trend<br><br>
but everyone i knew who did it wasnt eating their roommates pizza<br><br><br><br>
or if their roommate was gonna throw the pizza out... they would scrape the cheese and toppings off<br><br><br><br>
i also dont know anyone who would say that 'dumpster diving is fun' either<br><br><br><br>
i did know someone who would get soo much stuff from behind a health food store that he would actually have to take a cab home, hehe... (the place would dump whole shelves for new product)<br><br><br><br>
perhaps its how vegan is the new vegetarian... even though all those trendy people still eat a bit of chicken or fish<br><br><br><br>
i say as long as you arent messing up the label, who cares?<br><br>
they eat vegan unless its free... hence freegan<br><br><br><br>
what we need are words for people who are 'vegan' and eat a just little bit of chicken or fish or eggs or dairy<br><br><br><br>
Caroline
 

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It's a political thing, or so I hear. It leans towards political vegetarianism, as in you don't want your money going towards the meat industry. So a Freegan would happliy steal meat, as it's at the expense of the meat industry, or so I would be led to believe.<br><br><br><br>
But to be honest, I think freeganism is a bit silly.
 

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Believe me, I know people who think dumpster diving is fun. It's another notch on their "punk" belt. It's more about image than the political motivation--or so it is for those I've met.<br><br><br><br>
I do think freeganism tends to compromise the vegan "label," though I really can't complain too much because at least they are making <i>some</i> effort to counter the animal consumption industry, regardless of their motives.
 

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dumpster diving is a great way to supplement the diet<br><br>
we get free guacamole everyother week and all the fruits n veggies we need for no money<br><br>
i only eat vegan but at the ghealth food stores/co-ops there is tofu juice spinach etc and its all in the dumpster 4 free<br><br>
last week i found 2 cases of soymilk that were fine and still we are drinking it<br><br>
a case of carrot juice was in the other dumpster the other day<br><br>
as well as $30 worth of bread and tortillas that are now in my freezer and fill my belly w/ vegan goodness for free
 

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well i dont know about the 'punk' thing<br><br>
as none of the people i know who dumpster dive or who used to dumpster dive were 'punks' or were doing it to be 'cool'<br><br><br><br>
but i disagree with it 'compromising the vegan label'<br><br><br><br>
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I think it compromises the notion of veganism in that veganism is <b>more</b> than countering the monetary consumption of animals--it is about making your life free of as many things as possible that are implicit in an industry chock full of animal cruelty. Animals suffered and/or died for whatever nonvegan food a freegan consumes, therefore a freegan is implying that it's acceptable to eat that animal product simply because it was "free."<br><br><br><br>
The philosophies of freeganism and veganism can be in sharp contrast of each other. Plain and simple. Therein lies the compromise.<br><br><br><br>
I maintain my opinion of "to each his own," but if you're going to call yourself a vegan or even associate yourself with being vegan as a freegan does, you better be the best vegan you can be. Eating animal products knowingly (with the exclusion of random situations like the condiment one above) is not being the best vegan you can be.
 

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I can appreciate anything that someone does for the sake of the animals, whether it's just cutting back on consumption of animal flesh, or buying cruelty free products, or...whatever. I guess what prompted me to start this thread is the few (I don't know many) "freegans" I have met, seem to fall into the lazy catagory rather than the less wastful catagory. They like the vegan label, but don't want the hassle. Obviously, this must not be the case for all freegans- and I'm glad about that.
 

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I can see how people can misuse the freegan label to eat nonvegan things when they would like to claim to be vegan .. but that's really not what it's about. While veganism is basically against using animals, freeganism is basically against capitalism..<br><br>
read these articles to understand more:<br><br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3609/lib_whyfreegan.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...hyfreegan.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.crimethinc.com/library/veganism.html" target="_blank">http://www.crimethinc.com/library/veganism.html</a><br><br>
I don't practice freeganism myself, but I'm understanding of those who do.<br><br><br><br>
also... I am one who does enjoy dumpster diving <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
(i don't dumpster dive for food, however)
 

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the best vegan you can be???<br><br>
is that a joke?<br><br><br><br>
there is so much more that all of us are capable of doing but dont<br><br>
if they are trying to not be wasteful, then i say go for it... more power to them<br><br>
if theyre lazy, oh well<br><br><br><br>
i understand now that you started this thread about the lazy ones... but i think thats wrong to say that all or most freegans act that way<br><br><br><br>
this is slightly off topic... what do you think about the earth firsters that pick up road kill and use the animals skin to make things with?<br><br><br><br>
i find the idea disgusting... but i say more power to them<br><br>
its not wasting and its being resourceful<br><br>
that animal was dead anyway<br><br>
would i do it? no... id probably bury it<br><br>
is it sending the message that its okay to murder animals? i dont think so at all<br><br><br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by scareyvegan</i><br><br><b>the best vegan you can be???<br><br>
is that a joke?</b></div>
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No. It's not. Many of us do try our best. I find it a bit disheartening that you find that laughable. That seems just a little presumptuous.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>i understand now that you started this thread about the lazy ones... but i think thats wrong to say that all or most freegans act that way</b></div>
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Hmmm, possibly you've misread my statements. I've claimed the laziness factor only of those freegans <i>that I know or have met,</i> not ALL freegans. I know you don't know me from this board very well, but I don't make blanket generalizations.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>this is slightly off topic... what do you think about the earth firsters that pick up road kill and use the animals skin to make things with?</b></div>
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Like I've stated, "to each his own," road kill and factory farming are quite different beasts and hardly comparable in my opinion.
 
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