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I just got a brand new mp3 player for my birthday and was so excited until the rules came out (from my dad). I am not allowed to use any of the "illegal" services such as Morpheus, Kazaa, or LimeWire. Does anybody have<br><br>
a) reasons why i SHOULD be able to use them<br><br>
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b) ways to get MAINSTREAM free music legally<br><br><br><br>
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Yes I'd be interested in that too,<br><br><br><br>
QUESTIONS both a).. AND b).. most excellent questions Steve!!<br><br>
.....so ...Anyone know the answers or suggestions???
 

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I download mp3s all the time. I don't really mind it or anything. I usually end up buying the CD anyway. So a vast majority of my mp3s are legal. It's not like they're tracking me.. :p People can see what I download, but they don't know if I own the CD or not.<br><br><br><br>
As for obtaining music legally, you can get an mp3 track ripper. Try going to <a href="http://www.download.com" target="_blank">www.download.com</a> and search for one. I haven't used one in a long time, so I can't reccomend one. What it does is, it copies a track from a CD to your computer and compresses it into an mp3 format.<br><br><br><br>
Hope I helped!
 

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I get CD's from the main library and burn them to my pc. I then can upload to my MP3 player. I have about 3000+ tunes.<br><br><br><br>
I used to be a Napster junkie. That's where the majority of my tunes came from.
 

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Apple has a legal service, from what I hear it's pretty decent. 99 cents a song.<br><br><br><br>
You can also rip your own cd's.<br><br><br><br>
Or you can have a friend with one of those programs download songs for you and burn them onto cd's. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
At first I thought this thread was about stellar and her upcoming birthday. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/naughty.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":naughty:">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by StvSpl</i><br><br><b>fafa, what program do you use to download mp3s?</b></div>
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I use Kazaa Lite. Doesn't have that spyware like the full version.
 

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Oh, I'm probably going to get lynched if I respond to this. Can't...stop...need...to speak...my...mind.<br><br><br><br>
Ugh. I, personally, condone the illegal downloading of music. If it weren't for the underground scene, the only music that would be available is the corporately-manufactured-cookie-cutter-crap that the societal gatekeepers try to force on us. Most bands that, in any other universe, couldn't get record contracts, have gained strength and popularity in the underground scene. Ozzy Osbourne never would have made it if it weren't for the, however illegal, massive trading of copied cassette tapes that started in the late seventies. Neither would have Pearl Jam, Coolio, Pantera, or even Metallica despite their out-spoken loathing for the illegal trading of music. Grunge, metal, rap, most alternative-any genre that is considered the least bit edgy would have never gotten past the societal gatekeepers if it weren't for illegal trading. The underground scene is the back bone of the music industry. It has been illegal to trade music for my entire life, yet the people who made up those rules are not like me, or any musician worth the air they breathe. Laws are made on a majority-rules voting system, majority-rules discriminates against the non-conformist. Sneak behind your dad's back and download a few unpopular songs, but don't over-do it. And for crying out loud, don't do it with that mainstream crap. Brittany Spears isn't in any great need of your support.
 

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^^^ I agree 100%<br><br><br><br><br><br>
No lynching needed! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"> When you said you'd probably get lynched, I thought you were going to say you were against it entirely. heh.
 

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I've never been so mixed on an issue as this. First, I'm a musician, and have been in a few struggled-to-fail bands. As such I want to distribute for free what I want to distribute for free, but only <i>what I want to distribute for free!</i> That is why there are great services like MP3.com, CDBaby, Epitonic.com, and so on.<br><br><br><br>
I'm also a music fan. As such, I no longer buy a CD without a sample first. A full-track high quality sample at that. There's no reason NOT to offer this, whether you're Britney Spears or a garage band from Gaithersburg, MD called "Death To Britney".<br><br><br><br>
However, the fact of the matter is that both "benefiuts" which comprise all but the total core of the argument "for" music trading services, can be fully realized without peer-to-peer rip-n-burn trading, which is illegal, immoral, and unfair to artists.<br><br><br><br>
Cougar, you make a point, but I'm going to respectfully argue it is not a strong one...<br><br><br><br>
What can be done now that could never be done before is this: The regeneration of an album from a single source in an absolutely unlimited fashion and without any additional cost in media. You had to buy tapes, and you could not copy through "generations" of copies. There was one way to get album-quality albums: Buy the albums.<br><br><br><br>
What is being targetted are mass-trading hubs of music, akin to the bootlegger on the street corner selling second-generation rap albums while the rappers earn $12k/year and live on their mother's couch. The active target is not you and I downloading a few tracks per week because we don't know how good the new Pink album really is (I'm sure it's not that good).<br><br><br><br>
Take a look at what you can download from peer to peer services. Get an idea of what amount is "underground" and what is "top 40". It's something I have been actively analyzing and I have to say that it is exponentially harder to find "underground" music from peer 2 peer services than it is to find mainstream acts. I will say, with confidence, that peer 2 peer is an inferior source of "underground" music compared to official and legitimate sources such as band and label websites.<br><br><br><br>
It's easy for someone to say, at this point, that it's okay, then, because we're mostly just stealing from the rich. Not only is that an ignorant and transparent excuse to continue trading peer 2 peer, but it also comes at the price of admitting that the desire is not to "sample and taste" but to get a free meal. No band, underground or heavenly-rich, can survive on giving away free meals.<br><br><br><br>
There is so much wrong with the music industry today. It costs well into the millions to release a modest album, single with video, and tour with modest promotion. I met a guy a week ago in a christian hardcore band trying to go mainstream. He got a 5-album $700,000 record deal over 8 years. I thought that was a lot; turns out that is chump-change and that he only took it out of desperation.<br><br><br><br>
We'll likely not see $9 CDs anytime soon, nor will we have a fully-accessible pay-to-play music service, although Apple's is a step in the right direction.<br><br><br><br>
Peer 2 peer services have no credible place in the music business. They are an excuse to get free music, whether you chose to embrace that excuse or not. Those of us who restrain ourselves to sample-and-buy and such practices, kudos. But we are not the problem. Those of us who restrain should have no fear of the banishment of peer 2 peer. In fact, we should rejoice were that ever to happen, because in the outcome of that banishment we will see a lot more pay-to-play and sample-oriented services made available to us.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Michael</i><br><br><b>At first I thought this thread was about stellar and her upcoming birthday. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/naughty.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":naughty:"></b></div>
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Bwahahahahah!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh man that's halarious!!!
 

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The problem with MP3 downloading, as opposed to passing around tapes, is that passing around tapes allowed them to get into the hand of A&R guys and break bands. Today they're used so that people can get free music from artists they already like. If they like the artists so much, why are they stealing their music?<br><br><br><br>
As someone who used to work in the recording industry, the only way I can justify downloading MP3s is to find out if I like them. If I do, I'll probably end up buying them. The biggest obstacle to putting my money where my mouth is (besides lack of money) has been the fact that usually only one or two songs are any good off of most new albums. This is why I <i>love</i> Apple's new service, which is terrific. It'll become more thorough over time, and you can buy songs only instead of spending $20 on an album (albums are cheaper this way, too, since there's no distribution or packaging cost built in).<br><br><br><br>
99 cents a song is really worth it. Their AAC-encoded songs are far superior to the MP3 crap you get over the other file-sharing services, and entirely guilt free, assuming you feel any guilt about stealing music.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>The problem with MP3 downloading, as opposed to passing around tapes, is that passing around tapes allowed them to get into the hand of A&R guys and break bands.</b></div>
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Great point, eps! No doubt the Internet is an important tool for gaining exposure that may supplant that hand-me-down practice, it's still not peer-2-peer that is of any help.
 

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You'd have to ask them or their attorney. I never even heard of this, but I know they're opposed to song-stealing.
 

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I use KaZaa Lite for three purposes:<br><br><br><br>
1. To listen to music before I buy it.<br><br>
2. To listen to songs that I like, but would never buy the whole album because it sucks.<br><br>
3. To listen to music that I cannot buy (ie because it is only a single available on vinyl or something or it is super rare.)<br><br><br><br>
I never burn entire CDs because it is stealing...and MP3s sound like crap.
 

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peebs.... no offense, but i think KaZaa Lite is stealing too :)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
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everybody i found this great site. it's like apple's itunes music store for windows. check out <a href="http://www.liquid.com." target="_blank">www.liquid.com.</a>
 

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i don't like the downloading of illegal music and i don't understand who people have come to think that they "deserve it". you don't have to listen to 10,000 mp3s, people have survived for decades without them. if you have no money to buy an album then you don't have to listen to it, it's very simple. however, i do feel it's ok to download mp3s if you want to preview an album to decide if you want to buy it or not. i usually have 2 or 3 albums on my computer at a time, for previewing. after a few weeks, i either delete the mp3s or buy the album.<br><br><br><br>
with that said, there's plenty of great legal music out there if you look - especially live recordings of bands that okay the spread of them. <a href="http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php" target="_blank">http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php</a> and <a href="http://www.mp3.com" target="_blank">http://www.mp3.com</a> come to mind right away and i'm sure there are others. i have over 18gb of live, legal mp3s on my comp.
 
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