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So, over the summer my omni family is forcing me to go with them to travel Europe with them. I would have posted this in the international section but I apparently don't have permission to post there (? who runs this site anyway?). So I've heard rumors that all their eggs are actually free-range (not like American style hole-in-the-wall free range) and that their cows are treated better. I'm not actually a vegan yet but I am in the process of becoming one and I didn't eat non-free-range eggs until i found out that free-range is actually all BS (<a href="http://www.eggscam.com" target="_blank">www.eggscam.com</a>) so now I don't know what my position is. Or what I will eat in these foreign countries that I am being forced to go to one week from today. Can anyone help me, or preferably, just tell me what to do?<br><br>
Eric, the Confused
 

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You can post if you are planning a road trip, if you are making it clear that you are going to be a visitor, and don't live there.<br><br><br><br>
But right now there is not a generic Europe subforum. But one can be created on request.
 

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Actually, 'only' 15% of Dutch cows are kept indoors all year - the rest spends at least the summers outside.<br><br><br><br>
The trend is worsening instead of getting better, though.
 

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"So I've heard rumors that all their eggs are actually free-range (not like American style hole-in-the-wall free range)"<br><br><br><br>
Absolutely not.
 

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Indeed! We have this chicken-flue/plague/'thing' going on in the Netherlands right now. I think it is because of the rotten way that we treat our chickens (though some 'experts' say that it is <i>because</i> of open air chicken ranges that the virus was able to spread <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">)
 

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Belgium.<br><br>
Really, like most places it depends on the farm, however there isn't the degree of intensive farming that there is in other areas.<br><br>
As for the eggs specifically, No, not all are free range.<br><br>
If you stop in small villages though and eat there chances are they will be.<br><br>
Don't be afraid to ask though, or request things without eggs etc. Belgians are very accomodating.<br><br>
( I can't quote facts and figures but I lived there for 10 years so I'm speaking from my personal experience)
 

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The most animal friendly eggs there are, are the ones with the<br><br><br><br>
DEMETER label (bio-dynamic) or check for Bio-garantie, Natur e progress, AB(agriculture Biologic) or EKO, Soil Association
 

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"So, over the summer my omni family is forcing me to go with them to travel Europe with them."<br><br><br><br>
"Or what I will eat in these foreign countries that I am being forced to go to one week from today."<br><br><br><br>
I can't really add any advice food-wise to what you've already been given, and I understand your frustration over what you are going to eat on this trip. However, I really need to point out that perhaps a bit of an "attitude adjustment" is in order, here. There are people all over the world who will never have the means to travel to a foreign land; who will never know what it means to see a different country, with different people, food, culture, etc., "in real life." The fact that your family has the means to take you on a trip like this is an awesome learning opportunity for you, and I suggest you take it. Don't spend so much time worrying about free-range eggs that you forget to open your eyes and your mind to this wonderful experience.
 

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If you want to eat vegan you could print this:<br><br><br><br>
Dutch: <a href="http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/16.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/16.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
French: <a href="http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/18.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/18.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
German: <a href="http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/19.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/19.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
Choose the lanquage at <a href="http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/v-pas.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lekkerplantaardig.net/vgp/v-pas.htm</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Finlay</i><br><br><b>Indeed! We have this chicken-flue/plague/'thing' going on in the Netherlands right now. I think it is because of the rotten way that we treat our chickens (though some 'experts' say that it is <i>because</i> of open air chicken ranges that the virus was able to spread <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">)</b></div>
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Believe it or not, cages are more disease-free than outdoor chickens, like it really matters. Shouldn't be so many damn chickens in captivity in the first place.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br><b>So, over the summer my omni family is forcing me to go with them to travel Europe with them.</b></div>
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Oh, BTW, [sarcasm]you poor thing![/sarcasm]<br><br><br><br>
I sure you hope you're kidding about being "forced" to go. What an incredible opportunity. I wish I could afford to go back to Europe. I miss it so!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>Believe it or not, cages are more disease-free than outdoor chickens, like it really matters. Shouldn't be so many damn chickens in captivity in the first place.</b></div>
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Must be something in the food ?<br><br><br><br>
(constant medication, hint, hint)
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Oatmeal</i><br><br><b>Maybe RedViking has a family that's terrible to travel with. You only know that hell if you went through it yourself!</b></div>
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I've been through it, but it's easy to ditch your family in Europe. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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Yeah! Europe is FUN <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">.<br><br><br><br>
By the way, are you going to see Amsterdam?
 

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Vegetarianism isn't the main reason I don't want to go. It's that I'd much rather be at day camp with my friends and staying with my grandparents so I can have a high-speed constant internet connection (bare necessities of life), and, being a teenager, family trips are kind of against my nature. Also, i don't think it'll be easy to ditch them because we are going to be spending most of the time in the car like traveling between countries, I mean we're like only staying in each country for a day. And thanks for the advice. I'm still not sure what to do though; I don't think I'm allowed to bring any food on the plane because of international law and it's going to be reallllly hard to find multivitamins and flax oil and all those things i need in order to stay a healthy vegan in a continent that speaks a different language than me, besides, my parents would rather not take any trips to the supermarket and all our eating will be in restaurants. Since I'm not really a vegan yet, I think I'll drink milk when I'm there in order to stay healthy and not be a pain in the @$$ to my parents. Luckily, my dad has agreed to stop in internet cafe's and he has a smartphone pocketpc which has internet access, which will hopefully make the trip a bit more tolerable and I can always use babelfish for my vegetarian translating needs (like how to say "I don't eat eggs" in German).<br><br>
Does anyone know how dairy cows are generally treated in Europe and if they have stricter laws or something so I don't feel as bad?<br><br>
Thanks,<br><br>
Eric<br><br>
P.S. I thought it was pretty funny when I said y'all cause I'm from Massachusetts!
 

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You can either take the multivitamins & flax oil with you in significant quantities or maybe you could meet up with a VB'er to set you up with some.<br><br><br><br>
How long will this trip last?
 

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you know the vast majority of europe actually speak english so if you cant take stuff with you, you can always buy stuff over here. Most people would understand what you wanted.
 
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