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If you are still smoking (which I am), you may not have considered that most cigarettes are tested on animals, including primates.<br><br><br><br>
So, if you are a smoker and you haven't already made the switch, please consider switching to American Spirits. Not only are they 100% chemical, additive free whole leaf tobacco, but they also are not tested on animals. The company claims to never have engaged in animal testing.<br><br><br><br>
Just throwing that out there for concerned smokers (is that an oxymoron or what? hehehe)-<br><br><br><br>
Best wishes to us all for a speedy and final end to this terrible addiction. In the meantime, please choose conscientiously.
 

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I, too, am an addict. I once was able to quit for almost 3 years but slipped up in a moment of weakness and found myself right back where I started. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
I've tried American Spirit and used to pick them up on a regular basis when the coffee shop next door to my office carried them. They closed up, though, and I haven't seen any around since then. The problem is that they are a bit harsh in the full strength version (the only strength I smoke) and the quality of the tobacco is not what I'm accustomed to, being from NC and virtually next door to R.J. Reynolds <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> Ah, Winston Select, the only no additive smoke made from aged top grade leaf. Truly America's finest . . . . <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/pimp.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tame:"><br><br><br><br>
Seriously though, I didn't know that they experimented on primates with cigarettes, though I'm certainly not surprised. Can't they find enough humans that would volunteer to be a "guinea pig" for a free pack or two? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Does anyone know about Sampson, Drum, or Joker tobacco? I usually use Sampson to roll my own.<br><br><br><br>
I quit about 4 years ago and then started up again recently. ugh I don't feel quite ready to quit yet but I don't want to be a smoker forever. Its such a bad example to set for my son. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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i've been on and off the smoking wagon so many times in the last seven years it's not even funny. it's crazy how you can be quit for what seems like FOREVER and then suddenly start up again, KNOWING that you're going to regret it.<br><br><br><br>
i wish you all good luck in battling this addictive beast. only people who smoke or have been addicted to smoking understand that it isn't as simple as "just quitting".
 

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See if these help:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.smokinganimals.com/mcenter.html" target="_blank">http://www.smokinganimals.com/mcenter.html</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.smokinganimals.com/facts.html" target="_blank">http://www.smokinganimals.com/facts.html</a><br><br><br><br>
If you don't eat meat because of the suffering of animals, perhaps you can quit smoking for the same reason. Good Luck - Just fyi -<br><br><br><br>
My brother was a heroin addict, an alcoholic, an addictive drug user and a smoker for over 20 years. He finally cleaned up about 10 years ago when it got to point that if he took another hit or another drink, it would, literally, kill him (his liver and pancreas had basically shut down). He is now a super healthy, productive person, but he is the first person to tell you that, when he gave up all of this stuff (basically withdrew from everything at once - in the hospital of course), the hardest one for him to quit, and the one that still calls to him is the cigarettes. That means that cigarettes are MORE ADDICTIVE THAN HEROIN.<br><br><br><br>
I do understand how hard it is, but give it up for yourself, and for the animals. Look at cigarettes as another type of meat, dairy, or fur. Animals have suffered and died for the cigarette companies and continue to do so. Please try to do anything you need to do to quit - for yourself and for them.<br><br><br><br>
I know that you guys are going to jump all over me for this statement, so go ahead if you feel the need to do so: I see, over and over again on this site, people feeling guilty about using or consuming, and trying to avoid, taking vitamins with a miniscule amount of gelatin in it, taking honey from the bees, makeup and products that have been animal tested, etc. These issues and the ramifications of how all of this affects the animals are paramount to many people here. HOW CAN YOU SMOKE???? I just don't understand it, as using animals for tabacco experiments is so horrendous.<br><br><br><br>
OK - start yelling at me about how I don't know how hard it is because I have never smoked. Whatever. You know what your own belief systems are, and what you truly need to do.
 

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An added note, about which I was admonished a while ago, have you really considered the effects your smoking has on your pets and loved ones? When you smoke around no smokers, or around your pets, you are subjecting those around you to misery. The smell of smoke does more than offend me, it makes me feel like I can't breath. It can not be good for your pets, either.<br><br><br><br>
OK - there you go......swing away.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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I have to add this quote from the site above.<br><br><br><br>
"At this very moment, pregnant monkeys at the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center (ORPRC) are being kept in small, barren metal cages, their fetuses exposed to nicotine. Funded by the U.S. government, ORPRC experimenter Eliot Spindel acknowledges that "the deleterious effects of maternal smoking during pregnancy are all too well established." Yet his five year study, during which he will kill the baby monkeys and dissect their lungs, is funded (with tax money) through 2004.<br><br><br><br>
This is one of countless examples of cruel and completely unnecessary experiments. Experimenters have taken large grants from cigarette manufacturer Philip Morris; from government agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Institutes of Health; and even from the March of Dimes, to inject animals with nicotine, force them to inhale smoke and addict them to tobacco--a substance that they would never normally encounter or imbibe if left in peace.<br><br><br><br>
Other examples of smoking experiments on animals include :<br><br><br><br>
Cutting holes in beagles' throats through which the dogs are forced to breathe concentrated cigarette smoke for a year.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Inserting electrodes into dogs' penises to measure the effect of cigarette smoke on sexual performance.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Strapping masks to the faces of rats and monkeys and permanently restraining them to force them to breathe cigarette smoke constantly.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Forcing dogs to be on mechanical ventilators and chronically exposed to cigarette smoke.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Restraining Rhesus monkeys in chairs with head devices and exposing them to nicotine and caffeine to determine how caffeine and nicotine affect breathing. "<br><br><br><br>
For the Veg*n smokers out there....please, please quit smoking today. Become a non-smoker this very moment. Please.
 

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Thanks for the PSA. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
If you had bothered to read any of this thread(including the first post!!) you would have realized it was about a tobacco prodcut NOT tested on animals. We all know how bad smoking is for us. Someone was recommeding a product that wouldn't hurt animals in the process of dealing with a smoking addiction.<br><br><br><br>
But I totally agree about smoking around pets and loved ones. Non-smokers should not be exposed to second hand smoke, esp. those who have no choice whether to leave or not, like children and pets.
 

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Well, you can roll your eyes, and that is fine, but how would you feel about a meat that did not "hurt" animals until they were killed? How would you feel about supporting an offshoot of an industry that is so cruel to animals?<br><br><br><br>
I read the first post. "If you are still smoking (which I am), you may not have considered that most cigarettes are tested on animals, including primates."<br><br><br><br>
And one of the replies: "Seriously though, I didn't know that they experimented on primates with cigarettes, though I'm certainly not surprised."<br><br><br><br>
The reason that the "not tested on animals" products can sell their product is because they are able to look at the tests that have already been done, and are currently being done. No reason to test your stuff when there is plenty of info already out there.<br><br><br><br>
But, I believe 100% that each person on this earth should be truly free to do whatever they want. It's just too bad that the results are those pictures to which I have linked, isn't it.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by EquiPro</i><br><br><b>How would you feel about supporting an offshoot of an industry that is so cruel to animals?</b></div>
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in all fairness, equipro, you can say that exact same thing about the majority of "industries" in existance today. make-up, medicine, toiletries, etc. should we all give up deoderant and brushing our teeth because once upon a time these products were tested on animals but are no longer?<br><br><br><br>
i agree with you that people should attempt to stop smoking, but like i said earlier, you can't force someone who is struggling with an addiction to do anything they aren't ready to do. i think it's fairly obvious that smokers know what they are doing is harmful; lecturing or preaching to them only comes across as patronizing and condescending, esp. from someone who's never been addicted. and, as someone who has given up <i>both</i> animal foods and cigarettes, i can tell you from experience that quitting smoking was not at <i>all</i> as easy as giving up animal products. you said it yourself: quitting cigarettes is harder than quitting heroine. so asking vegetarian smokers to think of it "that way" is pointless.<br><br><br><br>
as any long term smoker can tell you, once you are thoroughly addicted, the only pleasure you get from smoking is maintaining a 'normal' level of emotion. the rushes you get from inhaling toxic substances go away very soon after becoming addicted. all that's left in it for the smoker is trying to prevent a "crash" from lack of nicotine. it's not like the pleasure you used to get from eating a greasy cheeseburger or crab meat dipped in butter. not at all. and since it doesn't make you feel good, it only stops you from feeling bad, your reasons for doing it go much deeper than the superficial pleasure you'd get from, say, having a peanut buster parfait at dairy queen.
 

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I'm not lecturing. I see the same conversations going on here when people are not seeing something with Vegan eyes. That's all.<br><br><br><br>
I would hope that people would use the most kind product possible. Actually, you can use lemons for deoderant, and brush your teeth with baking soda or hydrogen peroxide.<br><br><br><br>
I said in my first post that I, of anyone who has never smoked, understand the addiction. However, I still believe that it is counterproductive to support an industry that continues to experiment on animals. That being said, I still take suppliments that are cost effective for me, and the DO contain stuff of which I don't approve.<br><br><br><br>
And again, as I said in the last post. I believe in true freedom, and that each person should make decisions that fall in line with their beliefs as to who they are. I require nothing of anyone. Do what you want - whatever you want. I have no condemnation feelings whatsoever. Take the rest as you want. I'll no longer post on the thread, as I am not able to add anything more.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by folkjoy</i><br><br><b>Its such a bad example to set for my son. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></b></div>
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Amen to that, Folkjoy, this is my major concern. I've talked to him about it and garnered his assurance that he will NEVER smoke, but who knows what peer pressure will bring when he hits puberty. I'm certainly not helping him by example, that's for damn sure, though I DO try. I tell him things in a nonconfrontational way like "Look at me, I'm an addict, and all because I started when I was little more than your age. PLEASE never even try ONE, there is no one that loves you as much as I do and no one that is more qualified to tell you the truth about this. You will NEVER be sorry you never smoked, but you will ALWAYS be sorry if you do". He is adamant that he never will. I hope he maintains that level of commitment.<br><br><br><br>
Just between us cavedwellers, though, these new Marlboro Blend 27s are most excellent; not as harsh as the red cowboy killers but not the watered down Marlboro Lights either. They are serious competition for Winston Select. I bought another carton of them just yesterday . . . . (cough cough) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/pimp.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tame:">
 

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Bank,<br><br><br><br>
And its so hard to tell who will start smoking and who wont. I plan on really encouraging my son in athletics. Karate, soccer, whatever because I see the environment and peer mindset goes against smoking/risking your health. I've also read studies where kids who were involved in extra curricular activites like band and sports were less likely to smoke. Both my parents smoke and yet I am the only one of my siblings who ever did.<br><br><br><br>
{and since equipro has decided not to post anymore} The new 27's are good. I tried a pack one time and was surprised at how much I liked them. I've never smoked Marlboros, always Camels. Now, when I'm not rolling my own or I need a quick pack, I smoke Camel Turkish Gold. When I was younger I used to smoke Lucky Strike Unfiltered. Those are so the best ciggies. "They're toasted".<br><br><br><br>
But anyway, there's my dirty secret. My penchant for cancer-causing animal abusing products.
 

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An addl. reason to beware:<br><br>
Some cigarettes actually have animal products in them. I'm not totally sure on this, but I heard that marlboros have dairy additives. Maybe theres a list somewhere to check, dunno. I'm not very knowledgable as I only know 1 vegan smoker. Hell, I only know 2 vegans not counting myself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
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