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Our water is not Fluoridated and so my pediatrician prescribed a supplement for my 20 month old daughter. I just read somewhere that Fluoride is absolutely unsafe and the main ingredient is used in rat poison! Can any one shed some light on this subject? Is it safe or should it be avoided?
 

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Here is a whole discussion on flouride in toothpaste. I drank flouridated water my whole life and never had a problem, or a cavity (until I was in my mid 20's).
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Mamahealth22</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Our water is not Fluoridated and so my pediatrician prescribed a supplement for my 20 month old daughter. I just read somewhere that Fluoride is absolutely unsafe and the main ingredient is used in rat poison! Can any one shed some light on this subject? Is it safe or should it be avoided?</div>
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Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoride is a drug that never was safety tested by the Food and Drug Administration because it was "grandfathered" in becuase it was on the market pre-1938 before the law was enacted requiring safety and efficacy testing. ANd, yes it was on the market solely as a rat poison before 1938.<br><br><br><br>
Fluoridation began with the belief that ingested fluoride incorporated into children's developing teeth to resist cavities. Fluoride supplements were prescribed to children who didn't live in fluoridated areas. Modern science shows that fluoride gets absorbed topically into tooth enamel - which doesn't require swallowing it.<br><br><br><br>
However, ingested fluoride leads to a whole host of adverse health effects.<br><br><br><br>
For more info:<br><br><br><br>
Fluoridation 101<br><br><a href="http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof" target="_blank">http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof</a><br><br><br><br>
Fluoridation News Releases<br><br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu</a><br><br><br><br>
Tooth Decay Crises in Fluoridated Areas<br><br><a href="http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
Fluoride Action Network <a href="http://www.FluorideAction.Net" target="_blank">http://www.FluorideAction.Net</a><br><br><br><br>
Fluoride Journal <a href="http://www.FluorideResearch.Org" target="_blank">http://www.FluorideResearch.Org</a>
 

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Considering toothpaste with fluoride warns you to call POISON CONTROL if ingested, I'd say supplementing is not a good idea. I think it's overkill if you have your child brush with a flouride toothpaste and then give them pills, or in most cases ingesting it in water. And remember, lots of packaged products contain flouridated water.<br><br><br><br>
If I had kids, I probably would alternate their toothpaste (non and w/flouride) during the week, as I think that would be enough exposure to get the benefits, without the toxic effects. But it's a tough call.
 

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Our water is not Fluoridated and so my pediatrician prescribed a supplement for my 20 month old daughter. I just read somewhere that Fluoride is absolutely unsafe and the main ingredient is used in rat poison! Can any one shed some light on this subject? Is it safe or should it be avoided?</div>
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I find the concept of giving a child a fluoride supplement to be quite horrifying. If that was my doctor, I would find a new one immediately.
 

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Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoride is a drug that never was safety tested by the Food and Drug Administration because it was "grandfathered" in becuase it was on the market pre-1938 before the law was enacted requiring safety and efficacy testing. ANd, yes it was on the market solely as a rat poison before 1938.<br></div>
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Here is my problem with these arguments...<br><br><br><br>
1. Fluoride is a natural mineral, vitamins and minerals are considered supplements, and supplements are not regulated by the FDA.<br><br><br><br>
2. Onions, grapes, chocolate, and tylenol could all be used to poison [kill] dogs. Most people have no qualms about ingesting these things. Just because a substance is toxic to one species of animal does not make it dangerous to another.
 

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You don't have to substitute fluoride! I've never heart of a state of hypofluoridism.<br><br>
Kids must unterstand that they don't ingest the toothpaste and if you want to use fluorided toothpaste wait until your daughter is old enough. And be happy that your water isn't fluoridated!
 

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Please don't listen to Rabid_child, he is crazy flouride is pure poison, and get a new doctor, one that isn't trying to poison your child.
 

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Many things we use daily or prescription medications are toxic in large doses. Hell, even non-prescription medications. Fluoride has definitely been proven to reduce cavities, just do so in an appropriate way.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/Fluoridation/pdf/pollick.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/Fluoridation/pdf/pollick.pdf</a>
 

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I'm disappointed that I'm the first to post this:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><br><b>General Jack D. Ripper:</b> Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.<br><br><b>Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake:</b> Lord, Jack.<br><br><b>General Jack D. Ripper:</b> You know when fluoridation first began?<br><br><b>Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake</b>: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.<br><br><b>General Jack D. Ripper:</b> Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.<br></div>
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I don't use a fluoride toothpaste, I used to get very bad gums and since not using the fluoride toothpastes this has disappeared. I use Sarakan toothpaste and mouthwash now and find my teeth and gums are much better than they used to be.<br><br><br><br>
Fluoride is a poison and in my opinion I would rather not take any chances with it even though the benefits which are claimed may well be true. I try to keep all my toiletries as natural as possible, no SLS, parabans etc. and certainly no commercial deodorants.<br><br><br><br>
Personally I wouldn't give fluoride supplements to a child or to an adult for that matter, I think there are much better ways of preventing cavities.
 

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My parents gave me fluoride drops as a child, i'm 21 now and have no fillings my teeth are fine. Anything can be a poison if too much is given, its about finding a balance.
 

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Sure it is good!!! If by good you mean causing genetic mutations, infertility, brain damage, lowered iq, skeletal fluorosis among much else! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I know this an old thread but im going to go through it chronologically<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Our water is not Fluoridated and so my pediatrician prescribed a supplement for my 20 month old daughter.</div>
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I would say go with your pediatrician on that, but just curious is it a topical supplement?<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I just read somewhere that Fluoride is absolutely unsafe and the main ingredient is used in rat poison!</div>
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I also read somewhere that the nazis used to the control jewish people...but thats also untrue. At current level we have every indication that both water fluoridation and the use of dental fluoride supplements is safe. Remember that both salt and beer on their own are slug poison as well...its really more about physiology and dose.<br><br>
Also I wouldn't pay too much attention to the poster named "nyscof". They represent a anti-fluoridation organization with many erroneous claims. They also just copy & paste the same unsupported claims on any forum or blog mentioning fluoride, they are really here for an honest debate. (if you notice they havnt even bother to follow up here or post anything else since joining in 2007)<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Onions, grapes, chocolate, and tylenol could all be used to poison [kill] dogs. Most people have no qualms about ingesting these things. Just because a substance is toxic to one species of animal does not make it dangerous to another.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Many things we use daily or prescription medications are toxic in large doses. Hell, even non-prescription medications. Fluoride has definitely been proven to reduce cavities, just do so in an appropriate way.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Sure it is good!!! If by good you mean causing genetic mutations, infertility, brain damage, lowered iq, skeletal fluorosis among much else!</div>
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citations needed<br><br><br>
Among the various claims made by anti-fluoridationists is that fluoridation causes brain damage, which Ive explored in this post explaining the studies often erroneously used to bolster this claim <a href="http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/fluoride-brain-damage/" target="_blank">http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/...-brain-damage/</a><br><br>
Another common claim is that fluoridation causes heart disease, in general this claim is based on a completely misinterpreted study that wasnt looking at that issue. Ive written more on that one here<br><a href="http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/fluoride-heart-disease/" target="_blank">http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/...heart-disease/</a>
 

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Here is my problem with these arguments...<br><br><br><br>
1. Fluoride is a natural mineral...</div>
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So is lead.
 

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So is lead.</div>
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I think you missed the context and purpose of that statement.<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">1. Fluoride is a natural mineral, vitamins and minerals are considered supplements, <b>and supplements are not regulated by the FDA.</b></div>
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It does not appear the statement was saying that "fluoride is a natural mineral and natural mineral are safe, therefore fluoride is safe" rather than natural minerals are not regulated by the FDA in reference to the statement that was quote above it(seen below)<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Fluoride is a drug that never was safety tested by the Food and Drug Administration</div>
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I cant vouch for the accuracy of that particular statement but I think this is a more accurate assessment of rabid_child's original meaning
 

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I think you missed the context and purpose of that statement.</div>
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No I didn't. Of all the minerals that exist in the crust of the earth, only a comparative handful are necessary in human nutrition. Just because a mineral is natural doesn't make it safe for human consumption, and just because humans need some minerals doesn't make all minerals appropriate for consumption just because they are naturally occurring in the earth and not created in a lab.
 

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<div class="quote-block">ust because a mineral is natural doesn't make it safe for human consumption</div>
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its even more obvious you missed the point again, the statement was NOT made to establish safety of fluoride for human consumption, but rather to explain why it is not FDA safety tested
 

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Well, I drink fluoridated tap water and give it to my son. I also let the dentist give him fluoride treatments. I'm not sure if I would feed him tablets of the stuff. But I wouldn't condemn anyone for following their dentist's advice on the matter. Nor would I condemn anyone who got a second opinion and decided not to do it.<br><br>
Whatever you do, make sure your kids brush their teeth. And if they have cavities then get a filling or have the tooth removed ASAP. If you ignore it then the infection can grown and could result in death (rare but possible).
 

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I think you need to do some research on this. Fluoride might be a naturally occuring substance in ground water, but to ingest it in the quantities that we do now is not good for you.<br><br>
It's a neurotoxin and it affects bone density, causes pitting and discoloration in the teeth if too much is ingested and apparently causes anemia in pregnant women, causes premature births and smaller babies. (<a href="http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Environment/agriculture/fluoride_to_pre-term_birth_and_anemia_in_pregnancy_0309101057.html" target="_blank">http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/...309101057.html</a>)<br><br>
I've also read that the fluoride molecules block the thyroid's iodine receptors so that your thyroid can't get enough iodine which seriously impairs thyroid function, which in turn is the root of many health issues. Then there are low sperm counts in men and early menses for girls. Fluoride in the water is just one more way the pharmeceutical companies are assured that we'll all have plenty of illnesses so that we can give them plenty of our money.<br><br>
Besides if aluminum smelters dumped their waste (sodium fluoride?) in the river, they'd be fined for dumping hazardous materials, but governments put it in the drinking water? Does that make sense?
 
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