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I was reading an article about Peter Singer, and I was surprised about something. He is not a full time vegan. He says he only buys vegan products for himself, but he will eat lacto-ovo products when he is at a friends house or when he doesn't have a choice in other circumstances. What do you think of this? I'm on the fence. I think you are vegan or you're not. At the same time though, he isn't directly contributing to the massacre.
 

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I'm on the fence, too. While I do think that anyone using the term "vegan" should be making the effort as much as possible, I understand those who choose not to worry about trace ingredients, especially when they dine out or when someone nonvegan cooks. But what to call them? Sometimes it's just easier to say "I'm vegan" rather than explain that while you won't eat a piece of cheese, whether or not the bread contains di-glycerides is just not that big of a deal.<br><br>
And I know that the term here is strict vegetarian, out irl, no one has ever heard of that!
 

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If you are on the fence then grab a copy of "Vegan Freak" and see what you think after reading it.<br><br>
I believe if you are vegan for animal rights then there is no excuse for making exceptions.
 

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There's no such thing as a vegan who eats cheese sometimes. If he eats lacto-ovo sometimes then that's what he is. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I can bend over at the waist and touch the palms of my hands flat to the floor without bending my knees. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":bow:">
 

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I was reading an article about Peter Singer, and I was surprised about something. He is not a full time vegan. He says he only buys vegan products for himself, but he will eat lacto-ovo products when he is at a friends house or when he doesn't have a choice in other circumstances. What do you think of this? I'm on the fence. I think you are vegan or you're not. At the same time though, he isn't directly contributing to the massacre.</div>
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Singer's stance on this is well known in the AR community. I'm certainly not going to be the one to shake a finger at him, as he's obviously done a lot for animals. I think if this is what he, or anyone, can sustain, it's still a lot better than being a full blown omnivore. On the other hand, in my opinion, there are no circumstances where "he doesn't have a choice" about eating non-vegan things, unless he's being held down and tortured. We each are the only ones who can decide what to put in our mouths.<br><br>
ETA: I also agree that he shouldn't call himself a vegan unless he really is one.
 

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I can bend over at the waist and touch the palms of my hands flat to the floor without bending my knees. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":bow:"></div>
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I can't do that!! I am way more vegan than you!
 

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I wonder what situation this person would be in that would not allow him the choice.<br><br>
When I was vegetarian, before I went vegan, I too ate very little eggs and dairy. I would eat soy cheese that was not completely vegan or some cookies now and then that had eggs. I was still a vegetarian. When I finally wised up and went vegan, then I'm vegan. That's it. No "cheating." No anything.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>imdead-goaway</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2914208"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The word is flexitarian</div>
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That's the most stupid word ever. A "flexitarian" is an omnivore, period.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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I can bend over at the waist and touch the palms of my hands flat to the floor without bending my knees. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":bow:"></div>
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Me too!
 

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Still respect the man. I love that I had to study him for my degree <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> What he's doing isn't technically vegan, but I'm not bothered by it; 'vegan' is a difficult one for people to get their heads round if they don't have experience with it, but vegetarian is something most people these days will understand (at least, in the US/UK/Aus/etc). I've actually stopped eating at other people's houses for the time being - apart from a select few - just so I'm not a pain in the butt.
 

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Me too!</div>
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Not fair....I want that kind of flexibilty!
 

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Sounds like he's a vegetarian to me.</div>
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Peter Singer isn't even vegetarian, because he eats steak on occasion, as a reward for abstaining most of the time. He's more of an offsetatarian, someone who thinks that if they spend 355 days of the year being "good", they can indulge in forbidden foods every once in a while.
 

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Peter Singer isn't even vegetarian, because he eats steak on occasion, as a reward for abstaining most of the time. He's more of an offsetatarian, someone who thinks that if they spend 355 days of the year being "good", they can indulge in forbidden foods every once in a while.</div>
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Asshattery of the highest order!!!
 

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Peter Singer isn't even vegetarian, because he eats steak on occasion, as a reward for abstaining most of the time. He's more of an offsetatarian, someone who thinks that if they spend 355 days of the year being "good", they can indulge in forbidden foods every once in a while.</div>
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He eats steaks? Why does this thread even exist.
 

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THIS ^^ I can understand breaking vegan every now and then to eat vegetarian (I used to eat like that before seeing Earthlings) but if you eat meat you're an omnivore.
 
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