FISH??? - also Veganism???

eliya · Mar 6, 2007

ok 
dude 
i have a downfall - i am vego but i still eat fish - and the more and mor i think about veganism the more i really want to do it - but i dont understand why i can still eat fish(personally) i love it!!!!! an i know if i become vegan then i have to stop eating it - and i love prawns!!!!! - hmm - i dont know what to do - and fish is actually veryyyyyy veryyyyy healthy - unlike meat. 
i cant give up my salmon - but i want to 
if that makes any sense 
thanks guys 
what should i do? 
apart from the obvious 
maybe 
thanksssss so much 
el

HandcuffedAngel · Mar 6, 2007

You are not a vegetarian, you are a pescetarian. Fish is meat. 
You need to choose what is more important to you: eating fish or going vegan. 
That's really all there is to it. I can't help you much more than that. I have hated the taste of marine life for as long as I can remember.

jenna · Mar 6, 2007

hey, eliya. i think it's great that you're considering going vegan! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"> 
a couple of things i want to point out: fish is not a vegetarian food. fish is an animal and it's meat; just like prawns. 
there are some companies that make pretty good meat substitutes. Boca is the one I've had the most.

Black Heart · Mar 6, 2007

You might want to check out the <a href="http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/facts1.html" target="_blank">Vegetarian Society's info</a> about fishing, including the pain it causes to them and the damage to the environment and other life. It also gives information on what kinds of oils are good to replace those you are currently getting from fish. Many people are also concerned about the levels of heavy metals in fish, which are very unhealthy. 
You can get veggie fishless fingers if you miss the taste of those. 
A lot of people love meats or cheese, but choose to give them up because they feel that trying to prevent cruelty is more important than pleasing the taste buds.

froggythefrog · Mar 6, 2007

Be aware that the majority of vegans did not become so because we weren't attached to some nonvegan food. A lot of us really loved cheese, some of us loved milk, some of us loved a good steak. We just became aware that we were eating products that caused animals (including fish) suffering and death. We simply did not feel it was worth the taste. Check out the Asian markets in your area. Often, they have mock fish and shrimp. Read the ingredients. If I remember correctly, you would most likely need to watch out for the occasional use of egg in the product.

Pescas · Mar 6, 2007

If you think eating a dead animal because it tastes good is okay, then you wont make a very good vegan ;D

Lucine · Mar 6, 2007

still eat fish 
on occassion 
I wonder how many PMs I'm gonna get for saying this.....

HandcuffedAngel · Mar 6, 2007

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by Lucine <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a> 
still eat fish 
on occassion 
I wonder how many PMs I'm gonna get for saying this.....</div>
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None, more than likely. Just don't claim to be a vegetarian because you are not.

danakscully64 · Mar 6, 2007

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by eliya <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a> 
ok 
and fish is actually veryyyyyy veryyyyy healthy - unlike meat. </div>
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That's not necessarly true. It's not "veryyyyyy veryyyyy healthy." Like meat, it can have it's benefits, but that's like saying french fries are healthy. Yes, it's a potato, but deep frying it in oil makes it unhealthy. 
First off, farm raised fish is awful. I've been to a fish farm and they're so crammed inside the tanks, it's sad! 
If you eat fish that was caught in the ocean or lakes... you have NO IDEA what you're eating. I am currently taking an Oceanography and right now, we're learning about all of the crap that you can find in the ocean (figuratively and literally). Between the chemicals and other waste that gets dumped into the ocean (also, think about all of the dead bodies), you don't know what you're eating. Mercury isn't the only thing you should worry about...

veggielove · Mar 6, 2007

Fish isn't "very very healthy" - it is often loaded with mercury and PCBs. It can't be too healthy if they warn pregnant women not to eat it due to contamination! When I got pregnant my doctors gave me a whole sheet of info about fish and what not to eat. Doesn't sound "healthy" to me!!!

danakscully64 · Mar 6, 2007

I agree with veggielove! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="

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cftwo · Mar 6, 2007

You're welcome to eat fish if you really want to - just please don't call yourself a veg*n if you choose to do that.

Tom · Mar 6, 2007

I used to love fish too. Here's a thread about tuna substitutes: <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=67715" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ad.php?t=67715</a> 
I've found passable vegetarian and vegan substitutes for meat and milk, and for eggs when I'm making my own baked goods. But I haven't found a substitute for fish yet. I think I tried to make the garbanzo bean tuna salad, but didn;t have some of the ingredients so I left them out. Predictably, it was good, but didn't taste like tuna. 
My friend Cali, on another board, posted this recipe. It isn't supposed to taste like tuna salad- it's more like a fish fry. I made it and tried to make it taste even "fishier" by using more than the recommended amount of seaweed. Again, I substituted or omitted some ingredients I could not find (such as malt vinegar and Knorr vegetable bullion), so although it was quite good, it didn't taste fishy enough for me. Cali's Tofu Fish 
Ingredients: 
1 block Extra Frim Tofu (Nasoya Brand, frozen and thawed) 
1/2c Water 
1 Bullion Cube (Knor Veg) 
1/2c Malt Vinegar 
1T Nori, cut into itty bitty bits 
Garlic Powder 
Onion Powder 
Pepper 
1/2c Corn Meal 
1/3c Flour 
1/3c Nutritional Yeast 
Veg or Canola Oil 
Directions: 
Heat oven to 350. 
Press the previously frozen and thawed tofu for 10 minutes. 
Boil the water. In a large tupperware square or rectangle pour in boiling water and bullion, stirring to disolve. Add to concentrated broth the nori and vinegar. Season if desired. Set aside 
Slice the pressed tofu thinly resulting in 12+ pieces of 1" wide by 4" long and 1/8" thick strips. 
Soak 10 min in the liquid, trying to have as much covered as possible. Flip over at 5 min if needed. 
In a shallow dish mix the corn meal, flour and nutritional yeast. Season if desired. 
Prepare a deep baking or roasting pan with enough oil to coat the bottom. 
Gently remove (without pressing or draining) one strip at a time and dredge in the corn meal mixture and lay flat in the pan. Do not overlap, use additional pans if need be. 
Bake in the oven for 30 minutes. 
Remove and flip each piece over carefully. Add more oil if needed (ie: there is flour visible). 
Bake for 15 to 30 minutes. 
Serve with tartar sauce.

danakscully64 · Mar 6, 2007

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You're welcome to eat fish if you really want to - just please don't call yourself a veg*n if you choose to do that.</div>
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I second that. I hate when people go around calling themselves a vegan or vegetarian when they're not. Especially if they eat chicken or fish.

catgirl67 · Mar 6, 2007

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Fish isn't "very very healthy" - it is often loaded with mercury and PCBs. It can't be too healthy if they warn pregnant women not to eat it due to contamination! When I got pregnant my doctors gave me a whole sheet of info about fish and what not to eat. Doesn't sound "healthy" to me!!!</div>
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Excellent point! The actress, Daphnie Zuniga, started losing her hair years ago. She ate sushi almost daily, and it was determined, that it was mercury related from all of the fish she ate. Kinda creepy huh?

HandcuffedAngel · Mar 6, 2007

Eating fish daily also thins out your blood. 
My old Geometry teacher eats fish daily and when he had to have one of his toes cut open he bled like madness. He wound up completely soaking his bandages when he tried to walk on it and had to go back to the doctor and get it re-wrapped. He wasn't allowed on the foot at all while it was healing or else the blood would just come pouring out of him.

eliya · Mar 7, 2007

ok 
sorry for calling my self a vegetarian - if someone asks me are you vego i always reply kinda- coz i eat fish - so 
i am kind of new to this and didnt know that there was a word - for this 
i have been a precetarian (is that what it is) for just over a year- 
and im thinkong of giving seafood up anyway - hard but i want to do it- i only eat it maybe once a fortinight anyhow/ 
- thanks for the recipe- 
does anyone know of any more information about fish? thanks heaps 
el

eliya · Mar 7, 2007

sorry typo - meant to type pescetarian

Blue Plastic Straw · Mar 7, 2007

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by eliya <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a> 
ok 
sorry for calling my self a vegetarian - if someone asks me are you vego i always reply kinda- coz i eat fish - so 
i am kind of new to this and didnt know that there was a word - for this 
i have been a precetarian (is that what it is) for just over a year- 
and im thinkong of giving seafood up anyway - hard but i want to do it- i only eat it maybe once a fortinight anyhow/ 
- thanks for the recipe- 
does anyone know of any more information about fish? thanks heaps 
el</div>
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 <a href="http://fishinghurts.com/" target="_blank">http://fishinghurts.com/</a> is a good resource. Also if you're interested in the environmental impacts of fishing [google]depleted fisheries[/google]

HandcuffedAngel · Mar 7, 2007

Word of Caution: 
Troub kills all who use the term "seafood". ^_^ 
The term "Marine Life" really is a more proper statement.

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