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It can be an uphill battle being a vegan. I am a minority of a minority, somwhere in the 99.5th percentile of the human population. Everywhere I go, I see meat and animal products. People just complacently go about there business blissfully buying this junk and contributing to the death of the world. I sometimes dream about living in a utopia filled not with burger joints, but with organic vegan joints; filled not with vending machines full of junk food, but vending machines filled with organic produce; and a society in which animal consumption is a felony with a max sentence of 20 years. Perhaps someday eating meat will be frowned upon much like we frown upon slavery. I just sometimes feel I can't do much to bring about that change. I guess all I can do is my best and that is all. There is no sense in over-stressing myself over others' habbits. But just sometimes I get into fits of rage regarding the sensless acts that humans partake in, I am only human. One last gripe, what is the deal with environmentalists who eat meat? Talk about being hypocritical.
 

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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" -gandhi<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.abolitionist-online.com/interview_jeff.perz.shtml" target="_blank">Interview with an AR Abolitionist</a><br><br><br><br>
It is estimated that by going vegan, one person saves the lives of <b>93</b> animal lives per year.<br><br><br><br>
Never think that you don't effect change. Never think you can never do enough. The only thing that makes us different then previous world changers is self imposed limitations.<br><br><br><br>
You <i>alone</i> save 93 animals a year from a life of torture, pain, and a literal living hell. Does it make a big splash in the ocean of suffering? Not really. But it matters to those 93.<br><br><br><br>
You are a world changer. A life changer. By going vegan, you save the lives of animals, the suffering of young, help reduce pollution, help solve world hunger, and offer yourself a healthier existance.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I truly believe that this world will change one day. As more and more humans' hearts start to change, as societys mindset evolves, things will change. Whether this is in 10 years, or 1000, things will change. They must. This world is too dark for us to not desire change. Your longings for "utopian" ideals are healthy, they are normal for one with a compassionate heart.<br><br><br><br>
Never stop dreaming. Never stop hoping. Never give up the desire, hope, and prayer that this dark evil world will see the light. That all life will be respected as <i>life</i>, not objects. That one day, our children's children's children will speak of an ancient evil known as the slaughterhouse, as they eat fastfood consisting of a bowl of fruit.<br><br><br><br>
"All the darkness in the universe, cannot put out the light of a single candle."<br><br><br><br>
Ignite a fire of compassion in the hearts of darkness. Be a flame. Be a world changer.
 

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^^^excellent post mr. troub!^^^<br><br>
I didn't know about the '93 animals lives saved'. Very inspiring...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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jzt83: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:"><br><br><br><br>
troub: thank you for being supportive.<br><br>
~Wonder
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>troub</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" -gandhi<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.abolitionist-online.com/interview_jeff.perz.shtml" target="_blank">Interview with an AR Abolitionist</a><br><br><br><br>
It is estimated that by going vegan, one person saves the lives of <b>93</b> animal lives per year.<br><br><br><br>
Never think that you don't effect change. Never think you can never do enough. The only thing that makes us different then previous world changers is self imposed limitations.<br><br><br><br>
You <i>alone</i> save 93 animals a year from a life of torture, pain, and a literal living hell. Does it make a big splash in the ocean of suffering? Not really. But it matters to those 93.<br><br><br><br>
You are a world changer. A life changer. By going vegan, you save the lives of animals, the suffering of young, help reduce pollution, help solve world hunger, and offer yourself a healthier existance.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I truly believe that this world will change one day. As more and more humans' hearts start to change, as societys mindset evolves, things will change. Whether this is in 10 years, or 1000, things will change. They must. This world is too dark for us to not desire change. Your longings for "utopian" ideals are healthy, they are normal for one with a compassionate heart.<br><br><br><br>
Never stop dreaming. Never stop hoping. Never give up the desire, hope, and prayer that this dark evil world will see the light. That all life will be respected as <i>life</i>, not objects. That one day, our children's children's children will speak of an ancient evil known as the slaughterhouse, as they eat fastfood consisting of a bowl of fruit.<br><br><br><br>
"All the darkness in the universe, cannot put out the light of a single candle."<br><br><br><br>
Ignite a fire of compassion in the hearts of darkness. Be a flame. Be a world changer.</div>
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Wow, if that's not an inspiring post, I don't know what is. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
jzt, here's another hug. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:"> Some of us goes through your same exact thoughts, if that's any comfort. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:">
 

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You are in an even smaller minority than the vegan population, since not all vegans subscribe to the AR views you have, as you will quickly notice here on VB.<br><br><br><br>
For example, I have a feeling some people in this very thread would put the property rights of animal "owners" above the right of animals to be "stolen" by direct action activists.<br><br><br><br>
That being said, don't be discouraged. I think it's better not to hinge anything on whether there will be a "vegan revolution" or not, though. For me, even if this culture of callous violence will go on forever, I can be proud of the fact that <b>I</b> have taken a conscious step towards trying to remove myself from at least some and the most clear forms of violence. And I feel happy about everyone else doing the same thing, whether they will forever remain a minority or not.
 

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For example, I have a feeling some people in this very thread would put the property rights of animal "owners" above the right of animals to be "stolen" by direct action activists.</div>
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I know this was directed to me, and you couldn't be more wrong. My views on private property rights, animal rights, and animal welfare are a complex set of views that I have not explained on VB and choose not to.
 

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Ok, I stand corrected.
 

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jzt83, i'm in the same boat as you. and if it helps, i'm even more of a minority than you. i'm a 16 years old male vegan who is left handed.
 

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jzt83, i'm in the same boat as you. and if it helps, i'm even more of a minority than you. i'm a 16 years old male vegan who is left handed.</div>
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Lol.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
OP: I used to become very angry as well when I would think about all the animals being tortured and killed needlessly. Three points:<br><br><br><br>
-- I learned from others that being angry doesn't help the situation. Anger tends to blind me and block off my creative thinking. I find it is much better if I'm calm and peaceful so I can best see how to effect a postive change in this world. Then I try to put that vision into effect. Not everyone will agree with my vision and that's ok. My own vision will change many times over and that's ok.<br><br>
-- I know that when I used to eat meat that I wasn't intending for animals to be tortured and killed. I just didn't know any better. So when I look at omnivores I see that they (most of them anyway) don't intend to torture and kill animals. They are simply living out their lives as best they can just as I was before.<br><br>
-- When I reflect on my own life I realize that I continue to cause needless suffering to people, (other) animals, and the environment. So the patience I have for myself I must also extend to others. But I can't let that make me lazy. I need to press forward. Or as the Taoists would say: I need to relax and let myself become one with the Tao. Either way, I need to change, I need to let others help me change and I need to help others change:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Never think that you don't effect change. Never think you can never do enough. The only thing that makes us different then previous world changers is self imposed limitations.</div>
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And this is one of my favourite writeups: <a href="http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/ahimsa.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/ahimsa.htm</a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Ahimsa or non-injury, of course, implies non-killing. But, non-injury is not merely non-killing. In its comprehensive meaning, Ahimsa or <b>non-injury means entire abstinence from causing any pain or harm whatsoever to any living creature, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">either by thought, word, or deed.</span></b> Non-injury requires a harmless mind, mouth, and hand.<br><br>
Ahimsa is not mere negative non-injury. It is positive, cosmic love. It is the development of a mental attitude in which <b>hatred is replaced by love.</b> Ahimsa is true sacrifice. Ahimsa is forgiveness. Ahimsa is Sakti (power). Ahimsa is true strength...<br><br><br><br>
Absolute Ahimsa is impossible. It is not possible to the most conscientious Sannyasin or monk. To practice that, you must avoid killing countless creatures while walking, sitting, eating, breathing, sleeping and drinking. You cannot find a single non-injurer in the world. You have to destroy life in order to live. It is physically impossible for you to obey the law of non-destruction of life, because the phagocytes of your blood also are destroying millions of dangerous intrusive spirilla, bacteria and germs...<br><br><br><br>
One should not give leniency to the mind in this respect. <b>If you are lenient, the mind will always take the best advantage of you and goad you to do acts of violence.</b> Give a rogue an inch, he will take an ell: the mind at once adapts this policy, if you give a long rope for its movement.</div>
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And I love this too:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">The nonviolent resister not only refuses to shoot his opponent but he also refuses to hate him. At the very center of nonviolence stands the principle of love. The nonviolent resister would contend that in the struggle for human dignity, the oppressed people of the world must not succumb to the temptation of becoming bitter, of indulging in hate campaings. To retaliate in kind would do nothing but intensify the existence of hate in the universe. Along the way of life, someone must have sense enough and morality enough to cut off the chain of hate. This can only be done by projecting the ethic of love to the center of our lives.<br><br><br><br>
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you...<br><br>
-- Jesus</div>
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Troub, you are my hero <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smitten.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":smitten:">
 

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-- I learned from others that being angry doesn't help the situation. Anger tends to blind me and block off my creative thinking. I find it is much better if I'm calm and peaceful so I can best see how to effect a postive change in this world. Then I try to put that vision into effect. Not everyone will agree with my vision and that's ok. My own vision will change many times over and that's ok.</div>
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Anger might be a powerful motivating force though, provided that it doesn't turn into despair.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">-- I know that when I used to eat meat that I wasn't intending for animals to be tortured and killed. I just didn't know any better. So when I look at omnivores I see that they (most of them anyway) don't intend to torture and kill animals. They are simply living out their lives as best they can just as I was before.</div>
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My own view on omnis or the rest of society has changed for the worse.<br><br><br><br>
We usually think that most people accept that cats and dogs have a high moral status and that veg*nism advocates only have to make that view extend to other animals. But I think it's only a part of the population that has such reverence even for the "cute" animals.<br><br><br><br>
The truth is that there are surprisingly many people who hate cats, for example: cats are a nuisance, they endanger babies, they go on your property, they kill all those little animals, etc. And all the shelters full of abandoned "pets" don't seem to stem from much reverence.<br><br><br><br>
So, for a lot of people, it's not only that they don't know about factory farming, it's that they have a pretty indifferent view towards non-humans in general.<br><br><br><br>
Yes, I ate meat but now I don't. But, already as an omni I was in a minority of people since I felt strongly about fur farming and hated the way that kids shoot birds for fun etc.
 

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I know how you feel. Maybe this is just part of the process we newbies<br><br>
go through. I'm only a few weeks out and am still experiencing so many<br><br>
emotions;sorrow, guilt, frustration, anger.<br><br>
There was a period where all I could do was cry. I felt grief for the<br><br>
agony and suffering going on day after day and guilt for having been<br><br>
a part of it, and totally helpless to stop it.<br><br>
We don't stop because we are walking in the calling for which<br><br>
we were created.<br><br>
It may sound just plain old gullible but I believe with all my heart<br><br>
there will come a day when the dream will be real. Maybe not<br><br>
in our lifetime, but it will happen.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:">
 

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You are a world changer. A life changer. By going vegan, you save the lives of animals, the suffering of young, help reduce pollution, help solve world hunger, and offer yourself a healthier existance.</div>
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Troub- may I use this as my signature?
 

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We all feel overwhelmed at times. Try not to worry too much although it really cannot be helped. Worrying is basically a way of showing how much you care. Don't give up, you're among friends!
 

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Troub- may I use this as my signature?</div>
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sure thing
 

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sure thing</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/iloveyou.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lovesign:"> Thanks!!!
 

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"existence" not "existance" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rifle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":gun:"><br><br><br><br>
I'm a bit mystified by this thread. Up until age 33, I was one of "them". I never really paid any attention to what I ate, except to maximize pleasure and convenience. What right do I have now to go around with my nose in the air?<br><br><br><br>
I'm very happy that I was successfully infected with the veg*n meme complex 10 years ago. Yes, there are billions of others who have not yet been infected. Well...get busy!<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:">
 

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"existence" not "existance" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rifle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":gun:"><br></div>
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