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If I wasn't a vegetarian already, I would be after reading this.<br><br><br><br>
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A mix of bacteria-killing viruses can be safely sprayed on cold cuts, hot dogs and sausages to combat common microbes that kill hundreds of people a year, federal health officials said Friday in granting the first-ever approval of viruses as a food additive.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/08/18/edible.virus.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/08/18....ap/index.html</a><br><br><br><br>
I'm sorry, but if your food is dangerous and covered with deadly bacteria, is YOUR first thought to spray it with viruses to make it safe enough so you can STILL EAT IT?<br><br><br><br>
How about.... hmmm, this is a tough one.... DON'T EAT decomposing flesh??<br><br><br><br>
YUCK!
 

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<div class="quote-block">The preparation of bacteriophages -- the name is Greek for "bacteria-eater" -- attacks only strains of the Listeria bacterium and not human or plant cells, the FDA said.</div>
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*shrug*<br><br><br><br>
I'd rather eat harmless viruses (and probably do every day) than eat lysteria.
 

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I know "virus" has a bad connotation, but not all viruses target human cells. It's probably not the shocker you would think it is. (Think about how many viruses, bacteria, and other microbes you must eat and breathe on a daily basis.)
 

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First they spray it with CO2 (did i remember that correctly?) to keep the meat pinker longer - because, hey, it only looks like it's rotting - and then they give it a good dose of viruses to keep it from killing us. Hmmmmmm. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>froggythefrog</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I know "virus" has a bad connotation, but not all viruses target human cells. It's probably not the shocker you would think it is. (Think about how many viruses, bacteria, and other microbes you must eat and breathe on a daily basis.)</div>
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I know we eat a ton of harmless bacteria - I thought bacteriophages were awesome when I first learned about them over a decade ago.... but that doesn't change the fact that we know the meat is dangerous and infected with nasty diseases. So, do they decide to change the way animals are treated, the conditions they are kept in, the inhumane way they are slaughtered, so that they are less likely to have deadly bacterial infections in the first place, or do they think to spray it with a bacteriophage to make it ok at the end?<br><br><br><br>
And quite frankly, I object to this type of use of this technology, because we're acting way too "god" like here.... same thing with the use of antibiotics everywhere, which are creating antibacterial-resistant strains of bacteria - we don't know what types of secondary problems could arise from the overuse of this lysteria-eating bacteriophage. But, lucky us, looks like we'll find out.
 

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we act "god like" every time we take an Advil. Or use birth control. So?<br><br>
And sprouts are often considered dangerous & infected but people still eat them.
 

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i'm with bstutzma on this - i hate the over-use of anti-biotics and other meds, and this looks like it might cause the same problems. if we routinely dose everything in something that can kill normal strains of listeria (which in most case we can treat), and we'll wind up with stronger more resistant strains developing in response
 

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How noxious is this compared to the stuff sprayed on commercial fruits and vegetables to keep them fresh-looking?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>skylark</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
How noxious is this compared to the stuff sprayed on commercial fruits and vegetables to keep them fresh-looking?</div>
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Exactly why I try to buy mostly organic.<br><br><br><br>
I'm surprised that most people aren't phased by this.<br><br><br><br>
As far as the "god like" comment, I didn't mean by any means that science is bad. I'm a fricken chem E, for crying out loud. But some things are good ideas, other things, not. I'm throwing this in the bad idea category.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>OregonAmy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
But why? if the viruses don't hurt humans, how is this different from the viruses you ingest every day? is it intent?</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> My question exactly.
 

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<div class="quote-block">The viruses are grown in a preparation of the very bacteria they kill, and then purified. The FDA had concerns that the virus preparation potentially could contain toxic residues associated with the bacteria. However, testing did not reveal the presence of such residues, which in small quantities likely wouldn't cause health problems anyway, the FDA said.</div>
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Who wants to place bets on when the first person will die from contaminated vir-o-spray?<br><br><br><br>
I think this is a bad idea because the companies that need this product the most are the ones that sell the cheapest meat. If they don't invest the money into the product, what makes you think they'll invest the money into proper purification of virus? Maybe we'll get lucky and this'll cause a meat scare.<br><br>
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I just don't think you need to be trained in biochemical engineering to see lots of ways this could go wrong.
 
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