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You know, I've been hearing about this for a while, and I've been vegan for over a year, without once feeling that I'm not thriving. Then again, I don't feel significantly different than I remember feeling when I ate omnivorously. Who knows how I'll feel after ten years of eating this way?<br><br><br><br>
I do think it's a real issue (and not isolated to vegans, because anyone who eats selectively risks FTT in my mind), and I was curious to read in this thread about any personal stories relating to FTT in yourself, or in those you know.
 

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I thought Failure To Thrive was only a condition in babies.<br><br><br><br>
Where are you hearing this is a condition Vegans are dealing with?
 

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It's fairly common, actually, so I couldn't direct you to any one place. Dr. Klaper, here in Los Angeles, is a vegan who is doing a study on this phenomenon as part of his ongoing Vegan Health Study.<br><br><br><br>
It's similar to FTT in babies. You hear about it mostly from ex-veggies who felt the symptoms while eating a veg*n diet. It hasn't been well-documented, so it's hard to say yet whether they are erroneous claims, based perhaps on poor eating habits, or if they indeed had problems with a balanced vegetarian diet, which is possible, considering no two people will react the same to all diets/foods. I haven't had any diet-related health problems of any kind since going vegan last year (except the initial adjustment period my digestive system went through, heh-heh)
 

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I thrived as an omnivore, I thrive as a vegetarian. I'm sure I would thrive as a vegan.<br><br><br><br>
The difference for me is, I thrive better as a veg. Digestion is better, ie: no more tummy aches, less 'heartburn'. Medically, better numbers regarding HDL/LDL, etc. Also and perhaps more importantly, I have a general good feeling. Thriving is not just physical, it's all inclusive. Mind, body and soul.<br><br><br><br>
Doing what you know is right for yourself and for the animals and the planet we all inhabit is calming and health giving.<br><br><br><br>
We sometimes receive information that might make us question our choices. Be the questioner! Check it out, then make an intelligent decision--you'll be surprised--most likely your original thoughts will win out and you may be able to re-commit.<br><br><br><br>
Good for you to hear, listen and learn! Remember your heart and what it tells you. Your brain rules your heart, it doesn't just run on it's own---believe it or not!!
 

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Yeah I'm part of Dr. Klaper's study.<br><br><br><br>
Then again, I fail to FTT. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
It's ridiculous to think that a vegan diet is unconditionally healthy - there are vegans out there with very bad dietary habits.<br><br><br><br>
But the FTT syndrome goes beyond that. Those people seemingly eat well, but still are very weak.<br><br><br><br>
I guess we'll have to wait if the study will be conclusive or not....
 

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Not sure what it is. I think that's part of the point of the study. Yesterday I mailed in my app to join the study.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by vegluv</i><br><br><b>I thrived as an omnivore, I thrive as a vegetarian. I'm sure I would thrive as a vegan.<br><br><br><br>
The difference for me is, I thrive better as a veg. Digestion is better, ie: no more tummy aches, less 'heartburn'. Medically, better numbers regarding HDL/LDL, etc. Also and perhaps more importantly, I have a general good feeling. Thriving is not just physical, it's all inclusive. Mind, body and soul.<br><br><br><br>
Doing what you know is right for yourself and for the animals and the planet we all inhabit is calming and health giving.<br><br><br><br>
We sometimes receive information that might make us question our choices. Be the questioner! Check it out, then make an intelligent decision--you'll be surprised--most likely your original thoughts will win out and you may be able to re-commit.<br><br><br><br>
Good for you to hear, listen and learn! Remember your heart and what it tells you. Your brain rules your heart, it doesn't just run on it's own---believe it or not!!</b></div>
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I've had the same exact experience. I am a lacto-vegetarian, but the only dairy I eat is cheese. (maybe 5 oz a month on average, but I go long periods without.)<br><br><br><br>
I also take a lot of vitamins, and eat a lot of tofu. Those two things seem to make me feel much better.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by *sprout*</i><br><br><b>epski do you mean like you not feeling as like energetic ? and that sort of thing ?</b></div>
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Not <i>me</i> in particular. I feel great. I mean anyone else who lacked energy or otherwise felt a degradation in mental acuity, alertness and general health. Curious to hear about it.
 

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From <a href="http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/" target="_blank">Dr. Klaper's page</a>:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Occasionally, vegan people are encountered who do not look well - underweight, sallow complexion, low energy levels, etc. - despite an apparently healthy diet and lifestyle. What are we observing? A deficiency of dietary nutrients? Dysfunction of digestive secretions? Malabsorption problems? Defective liver detoxification mechanisms? Abnormalities of intestinal mucous viscosity? Other unknown factors? These "failure to thrive" vegan people represent an important subgroup and deserve careful study.</div>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>Yesterday I mailed in my app to join the study.</b></div>
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You probably will get an answer in a month or so, asking you to sign up online at:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veganhealthstudy.org/" target="_blank">http://www.veganhealthstudy.org/</a><br><br><br><br>
The site is a bit crappy and it takes abour 30 minutes to complete all the questions. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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1. Yeah, this is why I mentioned him.<br><br><br><br>
2. LOL. I guess I got the old app from VegSource.... Oh, well. I'll wait until I hear from him.
 

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So FTT is when you have a slim face instead of a "fat face" ?<br><br><br><br>
(for instance)<br><br><br><br>
I must say that some vegans look so slim and pale that I don't see them as an advertisment for veganism.
 

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It's less about looks than about how the person feels. For example, if you used to always be energetic, focused, and successful, but lately you've been feeling listless, sick, and unfocused, you may be experiencing FTT. Or not, but that's very basically the idea behind FTT, from what I've read.<br><br><br><br>
Again, I haven't experienced it, as I feel more or less the same as I always did. Some days I feel like a million bucks, and other days I wish I'd slept in another couple of hours.<br><br><br><br>
I guess no one here has experienced these symptoms...
 
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