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This is a group I found on Facebook. I think they are kind of mistaken on a few points.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Group Info Name: Humane Omnivores (A Response to "Meet Your Meat")<br><br>
Type: Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes<br><br>
Description: A story about my recent tryst with vegetarianism...<br><br><br><br>
In response to the horrendous abuse of animals at factory farms and careless slaughterhouses, I recently became a vegetarian...for half a day. However, a few things didn't set well with me:<br><br><br><br>
1. PETA's position that we must all be vegetarians or vegans because factory farms and slaughterhouses abuse animals. But what about non-sport hunting? And do all farms and slaughterhouses have to be this way?<br><br><br><br>
2. Alec Baldwin's voice and dramatics are so abhorrent to me that I literally cringe every time I hear him speak.<br><br><br><br>
3. As a student of anthropology/archaeology, I realize that our teeth and digestive systems are designed to process plant material supplemented with meat and our ancestors have eaten thusly since the first lithics were chipped into existence.<br><br><br><br>
4. I'm a big fan of chicken and scallops. (This actually does set well with me but it's part of my meaty justification.)<br><br><br><br>
This is not to say I'm in favor of the life-long torture and violent death that many animals suffer to end up on our plates. I think animals, though not human and therefore absent of fundamental rights, must be treated with kindness and a certain amount of reverance and we as humans have a moral obligation to treat them thusly, ESPECIALLY when their lives are being sacrificed for the continuity of our own. There HAS to be a way to raise animals for food that isn't painful or abusive for them.<br><br><br><br>
After a bit of searching I happened across Humane Farm Animal Care Program, a non-profit group associated with the ASPCA and The Humane Society of America. This group consisting of veterinarians, animal scientists and the like rigorously inspect non-factory farms and certify their meat, dairy and eggs as Certified Humane Raised and Handled.<br><br><br><br>
"The Certified Humane Raised & Handled Label is a consumer certification and labeling program. When you see the Certified Humane Raised & Handled label it means that an egg, dairy, meat or poultry product has been produced with the welfare of the farm animal in mind. Food products that carry the label are certified to have come from facilities that meet precise, objective standards for farm animal treatment.<br><br><br><br>
QUALITY STANDARDS<br><br>
A team of veterinarians and animal scientists developed the Animal Care Standards to ensure that producers and processors keep animals in conditions that have met high standards of animal care:<br><br>
Allow animals to engage in their natural behaviors<br><br>
Raising animals with sufficient space, shelter and gentle handling to limit stress<br><br>
Making sure they have ample fresh water and a healthy diet without added antibiotics or hormones<br><br><br><br>
Under the system, growth hormones are prohibited, and animals are raised on a regular diet of quality feed free of antibiotics. Producers also must comply with local, state and federal environmental standards. Processors must comply with the American Meat Institute Standards, a higher standard for slaughtering farm animals than the Federal Humane Slaughter Act."<br><br><br><br>
Animals are given nutritious food and clean water, have spacious living areas or are free-range and are allowed to act like the animals they are and associate with their own kind, often with environmental enrichment to foster mental health. They are never taunted, tortured or abused. When it is time for them to be slaughtered, they are transported with plenty of room to move and upon arrival, any lame animals are quickly stunned and humanely euthanized. The other animals are driven down shoots with flags on poles or rattles instead of cattle prods to humane holding devices where they are comfortably restrained and slaughtered quickly and painlessly via a single electric shot to the head. These slaughterhouses are rigorously inspected as well and any breach in protocol will shut down the slaughterhouses until the breach has been fixed.<br><br><br><br>
With this I decided to become a Humane Omnivore, that is, I eat mostly plant material anyway but when I do eat meat it's Certified Humane Raised & Handled, no exception.<br><br><br><br>
If you don't like it, you can bite...just do it humanely please. =)<br><br>
Contact Info Website: <a href="http://www.certifiedhumane.com/default.html" target="_blank">http://www.certifiedhumane.com/default.html</a><br></div>
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Eh. I've no real quibbles with their philosophy. It would be nice if more people followed it (nicer still if they went veg, of course).
 

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I don't have issue with it either. Its a step in the right direction. If more people demand food raised ethically, a greater percentage of animals will suffer less. How is that bad? If they can't handle being vegetarian, that's their choice. Those of us who enjoy this lifestyle will continue to do it.
 

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Ultimately, this doesn't work because it is impossible to meet the current demand for animal flesh without employing intensive (i.e. non-humane) farming practices.<br><br><br><br>
However, some people who sympathize with the cause simply have a very difficult time going veg. I have one friend, for instance, who recognizes that the best ethical choice is to be Vegan, but she is addicted to cheese and has numerous food issues left over from her childhood that make it very difficult for her to fully embrace that style of eating. Due the cost and scarcity of Humanely Raised flesh, at least those who decide to go this route usually eat vegetarian most of the time and are not econimically supporting the factory farm system.<br><br><br><br>
The argument could be made that in terms of net cruelty, eating a certified humane steak wouldn't be that different from drinking milk or eating eggs. In any case, doing something is better than being like the majority and putting on those blinders and they make their way to McDonalds.
 

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<i>2. Alec Baldwin's voice and dramatics are so abhorrent to me that I literally cringe every time I hear him speak.</i><br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> have to agree on that one
 

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There is no such thing as a "Humane Society of America."<br><br>
It sounds like she got the HSUS and American Humane Association garbled together.<br><br><br><br>
And, Peta's position is "Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment." So yes, that would include hunting and free-range farms, as well. She's not getting their point.
 

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I have a facebook... I joined the group "Actually... I[m vegetarian." Haha, I don't know how many times I have said that. I don't think anything is wrong with their group. Atleast they care. But, yes, like it was said, it would be nicer if they were veg.
 

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I'm gonna ask if some of them want to join my Round Square group.<br><br><br><br>
Personally, I'm fundamentally opposed to their ethical view because I'm fundamentally opposed to exploitation. It's better than supporting factory farming yes, but so is the murder of women better than raping and murdering them. Everything is less cruel than something else and thus practices and views have to be evaluated on their own merits, not by comparing them to something even more horrible.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>thatoneguy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
She wants to eat meat...<br><br><br><br>
so she wrote that as an excuse.</div>
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Exactly.<br><br>
Sure there are humane ways to do it. I live right in the heart of northern Ontario farmland and most of them raise their animals decently. That doesn't make it any more right, in my opinion. The end result is the same.
 

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I have to agree with Sevenseas, and in my view they can't say there must be a way to raise animals for food that isn't abusive because killing them in any way is abuse! And as for the statement 'are not human and therefore absent of fundamental rights'...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/bigcry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cry:"><br><br><br><br>
It may be a step towards the right direction but it also puts up a barrier to the rest of the way!<br><br><br><br>
And I don't like the word 'thusly'.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>llamapower</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br><br><br>
It may be a step towards the right direction but it also puts up a barrier to the rest of the way!<br><br><br><br>
And I don't like the word 'thusly'.</div>
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Thats kind of what I thought too, just wanted to see what everyone else thought about them
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>thatoneguy</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
She wants to eat meat...<br><br><br><br>
so she wrote that as an excuse.</div>
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I disagree. If she wanted an excuse to eat meat, she wouldn't go out of her way to find humane meat. She'd go back to eating chicken nuggets from mcdonalds. If she wanted an excuse she could just say it was too hard, too expensive, or it wasn't for me. That's not what she did.
 

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I disagree. If she wanted an excuse to eat meat, she wouldn't go out of her way to find humane meat. She'd go back to eating chicken nuggets from mcdonalds. If she wanted an excuse she could just say it was too hard, too expensive, or it wasn't for me. That's not what she did.</div>
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She obviously wants to eat meat as she does so. Her excuse is that it's not as bad as factory farms (an excuse which, sadly, many agree with).
 

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i dont have a problem with this group at all. as i see it, it's just nice to see at least some people care about the source of their animal produce.
 
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