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I want to start by saying that I am not one of those people who expected becoming vegetarian to make me invincible, nor am I someone who is going to eat a steak tomorrow because "my doctor told me to". I am ONLY considering this because my health is rapidly waning and I am desperate to figure out why in a way I've never been desperate before.<br><br><br><br>
On December 22nd, I had a mild but alarming dizzy/nausea spell. I chalked it up to stress as I had just emceed a wedding that day, and went to bed. It was gone in the morning.<br><br><br><br>
Since then, the spells have increased in frequency and intensity. I went to see a doctor about 5 weeks ago and she ran some bloodwork and said I was fine. But they kept getting worse. On Thursday I had one so bad I thought I might be dying, and I went to the ER. After sitting in the waiting room for nine hours, the spell had passed and a blood test, urine test, and CT scan all came back "normal". The doctor said I must have been hungry and told me to eat more often.<br><br><br><br>
I had to leave work for the fifth time yesterday so I quit my job and I left my apartment with my husband to go stay with my mom. These are happening almost constantly and I cannot take care of myself. The list of symptoms has grown to include not just dizziness and nausea but extreme weakness to where I cannot stand up on my own, trouble focusing my eyes, trouble focusing mentally, faintness, and slurred speech.<br><br><br><br>
The key here is that I strongly believe this is directly related to eating and/or blood sugar. The absolute worse spells are when I wake up not having eaten in nine hours. I will get a spell when I am hungry, but eating is difficult because I'm so nauseous and what I can eat makes it 1,000 times worse. The symptoms will start to stabilize an hour or so after I've eaten, but at this point they never really go away, and as soon as I am hungry again they are back full force. I have to eat literally once an hour to prevent myself from slumping to the floor.<br><br><br><br>
I have made yet another appointment with my general practitioner, because I cannot see a specialist without a recommendation from a GP. Hopefully when she sees my family half-carry me into her office she will try a little harder to diagnose me. My appointment is 10 days away and I hope to God I make it til then.<br><br><br><br>
In the meantime, does anyone here have any idea what this might be? Could not eating meat have something to do with it? I hate to blame it on that, but at this point I am considering literally EVERY aspect of my life as a potential culprit. And naturally I am talking about the vegetarian aspect on the vegetarian message board.
 

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I am so sorry! hang in there!<br><br><br><br>
Did this only start when you stopped eating meat? And if so, how long did it take to start after the last time you ate meat?<br><br><br><br>
I would find it odd that giving up meat would have anything to do with it. But I knew someone once who said she never felt good when she tried to go vegetarian so she always had to go back to eating a little meat but she had a bunch of pre-existing stomach problems. It is rare to hear this sort of thing in my experience.<br><br><br><br>
It really depends on the individual. If I were you, I would eat whatever makes me feel better to get you through until your appointment. Make sure your doctor checks you for everything. (I wouldn't mention the veggie diet unless she asks - some doctors can be quick to just chalk it up to stuff like that and tell you to eat meat again than come back) I remember having my blood sugar drop a few times and OJ always helped me - any juice really. But eat whatever helps you feel the best.<br><br><br><br>
I wish I knew more of what this could be. WHen you said dizzy spells at first, I thought it could be some sort of ear disorder like vertigo. (I think that can cause nausea too.) People with that can not always keep their balance or they fall over.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck to you. Please let us know what happens!
 

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Could be food allergies. Only thing not eating meat would do is take away your B12 [something you should be taking a supplement for].<br><br><br><br>
Maybe see an allergist and/or nutritionist and explore your diet more and see if you are allergic to things you are consuming a lot of.<br><br><br><br>
I have spells like this too due to anemia and food allergies and I have collapsed in the shower even just after eating. It's rough.<br><br><br><br>
Hang in there.
 

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Could be food allergies. Only thing not eating meat would do is take away your B12 [something you should be taking a supplement for].<br><br><br><br>
Maybe see an allergist and/or nutritionist and explore your diet more and see if you are allergic to things you are consuming a lot of.<br><br><br><br>
I have spells like this too due to anemia and food allergies and I have collapsed in the shower even just after eating. It's rough.<br><br><br><br>
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Just wondering...since I don't have allergies to anything I don't know how it can work.<br><br><br><br>
But don't people with food allergies normally have symptoms AFTER they eat something they are allergic too? if so, wouldn't elibrown feel her symptoms get worse AFTER she has her meal instead of feeling better once she eats?<br><br>
Or can it cause symptoms many hours afterwards once your stomach is empty?
 

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Tapeworms or something preventing you from absorbing your food properly? You need a full work-up. This is serious.
 

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I went through a period like this a few years back. After getting tested everything under the sun (blood sugar issues, blood pressure surges, possible brain tumor or aneuryism, MS, etc.), I was finally diagnosed with suspected vestibular neuritis -- a virus inside the nerves which can apparently go through periods of activity or dormancy. My doctor said that while the cause is unknown, stress and lack of sleep are considered two factors in bringing on the attacks. Going to a raw vegan diet for about a month and getting a LOT more sleep seemed to get me out of the "active" phase. I still have attacks on rare occasion -- maybe two or three times a year, but it's nothing at all like the disabling attacks I was having every few days during a full-blown active cycle.<br><br><br><br>
Unfortunately, this is one of those conditions that is pretty much diagnosed only through process of elimination and for which there is no real cure. Along with rest and avoiding stress, eating whole foods and avoiding chemical additives seem to help some people. Some people have also found regular chiropractic care to help more than traditional medical treatment.
 

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Couldn't this perhaps be extreme hypoglycemia? Check out the link below...<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.hypoglycemia.org/hypo.asp" target="_blank">http://www.hypoglycemia.org/hypo.asp</a><br><br><br><br>
I am so sorry that this is happening to you, whatever it is.<br><br><br><br>
I hope you soon resolve this. I personally think it is extremely unlikely to be anything to do with you not eating meat. Perhaps there might be a link if you only started getting the symptoms straight after becoming veggie, then there might be a correlation although I really think it's much more likely to be an illness.
 

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Sounds to me like: hypoglycemia, or perhaps some sort of invasive parasite like epski mentioned. FOr some reason you are eating, but not getting the normal signs of nutrition. See a doctor very soon.
 

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Oh yes, and in this article I read a while back about a kid with extreme hypoglycemia, his mum always had to wake him up at least once a night to feed him which was obviously impractical but meant he didn't go into 'shock' by the morning, which seems to be what you also describe.<br><br><br><br>
Maybe try this and see if it helps? Have some crackers by the bed or how about nutrient/protein shakes? They would be nice and easy and also sweet, you can get vegan ones with only natural sugars (I have used them myself and recommend them.)<br><br><br><br>
Good luck and get well soon <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Parasites - maybe, but I would expect some of the blood tests would be effected.<br><br>
Not eating meat isn't defenitely the cause for your nausea or dizziness. Had you been on a specific diet before it started? What would an average day concerning your meals look like in early December last year?
 

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It does sound very serious - you poor thing! I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea what it might be but I do hope you manage to get a firm diagnosis very soon. It sounds horrible. At least you have an appointment coming up with your doctor. Please be cautious - if you start feeling dangerously unwell (whatever that means) then please don't wait until your appointment... get somebody to take you into A&E! (or whatever it's called in the US). Because it really doesn't sound like something to be taken lightly at all, so don't take any risks. Keep us updated!! *gnashes her teeth at whatever nasty thing is causing your symptoms*
 

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You should probably also examine your dietary habits to make sure you're getting all the necessary nutrients. Someone already mentioned B12, but what about omega-3 fatty acids and zinc? These are all nutrients that vegetarians have to plan for, because there aren't a lot of plants sources. As a new veg, I recently read the book "The New Becoming Vegetarian" by Davis and Melina, which talks about all this stuff. If you're not sure about your nutritional intake, you should probably check it out.<br><br><br><br>
Good luck.<br><br><br><br>
--Fromper<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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How long do the spells last? Sometimes I feel like that (though not quite as severe) for a few seconds after I stand up suddenly following a long period of sitting down.
 

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Queenfluff, the symptoms occur both on an empty stomach and after eating, but they are usually much worse once I eat.<br><br><br><br>
LittleLove, that's what it seems like, but I have yet to find a method of eating that efficiently controls the symptoms. People have suggested that it's low blood sugar, but several blood sugar tests in the emergency room have come back normal, and plus restoring sugar when I'm having a spell usually makes it a lot worse.<br><br><br><br>
Lothar, no specific diet. Hmm, early December...a lot of fast food burritos and tacos (black beans, white tortillas, lettuce, cheese, tomatos), and at home frozen veggies, potatoes, beans and brown rice, fake meats, tons and tons of smoothies and fruit.<br><br><br><br>
Nevelinde, unfortunately I've been to the emergency room twice over this and both times it was pretty much a waste of time and money. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Both doctors said they have no idea what is going on and thus couldn't help me.<br><br><br><br>
Fromper I have been lacking on Omegas but I've bought some supplemented foods recently. B12 I'm not sure of...isn't B12 not a problem if you consume dairy and eggs?
 

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I am so sorry! hang in there!<br><br><br><br>
Did this only start when you stopped eating meat? And if so, how long did it take to start after the last time you ate meat?<br><br><br><br>
I would find it odd that giving up meat would have anything to do with it. But I knew someone once who said she never felt good when she tried to go vegetarian so she always had to go back to eating a little meat but she had a bunch of pre-existing stomach problems. It is rare to hear this sort of thing in my experience.<br><br><br><br>
It really depends on the individual. If I were you, I would eat whatever makes me feel better to get you through until your appointment. Make sure your doctor checks you for everything. (I wouldn't mention the veggie diet unless she asks - some doctors can be quick to just chalk it up to stuff like that and tell you to eat meat again than come back) I remember having my blood sugar drop a few times and OJ always helped me - any juice really. But eat whatever helps you feel the best.<br><br><br><br>
I wish I knew more of what this could be. WHen you said dizzy spells at first, I thought it could be some sort of ear disorder like vertigo. (I think that can cause nausea too.) People with that can not always keep their balance or they fall over.<br><br><br><br>
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I don't know how I missed this one. To answer your questions: I started phasing out meat in October of 2004 and quit altogether about six months after that. So I haven't eaten meat in almost 2 years. And the spells started 2 months ago.
 

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How long do the spells last? Sometimes I feel like that (though not quite as severe) for a few seconds after I stand up suddenly following a long period of sitting down.</div>
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They last from 1 hour to 6 hours, and have been growing in frequency to the point where I have one or more symptoms almost constantly. The symptoms exist no matter what position I am in.
 

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Wow, 1 to 6 hours, that must be unbearable! Hang in there and keep trying new ideas.<br><br><br><br>
I would say that it is not directly a problem caused by lack of meat, but certainly you could be deficient in something. Although if all you tests came back normal, maybe thats not the case.<br><br><br><br>
In either event, I would take special care to document everything you eat in a journal to make sure you are getting appropriate levels of carbs, protein, fat...take multivitamins and specific supplements that you think are necessary.<br><br><br><br>
Here's a short story: (so i've been told by my mother)<br><br>
When I was in the single digit age category, my mother told me I was constipated for weeks! She took me to the doctor and it turns out that she had been feeding me so 'healthy' to try to stop the constipation that she actually prolonged it. My body refused to let go of anything, lol. So that night I got to eat loads of fast food and sweets. My constipation ended a few minutes after.<br><br><br><br>
I know that was probably more graphic than was necessary, but I wanted to give you the example. I hope you can discern what I'm getting at with the story. Clearly you've been veggie longer than me so I assume you've adjusted your diet by now...<br><br><br><br>
Good luck, you're in my thoughts...
 

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How long do the spells last? Sometimes I feel like that (though not quite as severe) for a few seconds after I stand up suddenly following a long period of sitting down.</div>
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That sounds like an iron thing.. I say so b/c I have low iron (really low) and that was how it started. I let it go for ages and then i got a week long dizzy spell.. then I was forced to take the iron supplements. As long as i take them every third day I don't get dizzy...
 

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Hmmm, iron. I have had anemia-like symptoms in the past. Perhaps that is the problem. You'd think that would show up on a blood test though.
 
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