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Sorry to double post, but my thread in the environmental subforum (<a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?129543-Need-facts-to-share-at-meetup&p=3002519#post3002519" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/sh...19#post3002519</a>) isn't getting responses fast enough, and I'm on a time constraint and don't have time to google for my own information. So I'm hoping some of you knowledgeable people can help me out quickly.<br><br>
I'm attending an environmental event this evening, and I want to be able to speak intelligently about why avoiding animal products is good for the environment. As someone who went veg*n because I like animals, this isn't exactly my area of expertise. I'm vaguely aware of reading some things about it here on VB, but I don't remember details. Most importantly, I'd like to be able to point people towards easy to remember, respectable environmentalist (not AR) sources that they can google for themselves after the event.<br><br>
Any suggestions?<br><br>
--Fromper<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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here's some stuff about fish farming<br><br><br><br><br>
section: Environmental Impacts of Intensive Fish Farming<br><br><a href="http://www.ciwf.org.uk/includes/documents/cm_docs/2008/i/in_too_deep_2001.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ciwf.org.uk/includes/docu..._deep_2001.pdf</a>
 

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Most of the straight-up environmental stuff doesn't advocate veganism per se, but it does point in that direction by pointing out the bad stuff factory farming does to the environment. Michael Pollan has a good bit of quotable stuff there, if you want to google him. A lot of the hits will take you to a piece he did for NY Times, <a href="http://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/why-bother/" target="_blank">http://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/why-bother/</a> with some talking points you might find useful. Just don't go to your meeting saying that "a vegan in a Hummer is greener than a meat-eater in a Prius." Pollan himself coined that one, but recanted it later.
 

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<a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/environment.html" target="_blank">http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/environment.html</a><br><br>
Thats the best source I've come across as far as expanse and conciseness of info.
 

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Here is a list of resources for a discussion/speech/paper on the connection between the environment and veganism:<br><a href="http://www.vegansoapbox.com/the-connection-between-the-environment-and-veganism/" target="_blank">http://www.vegansoapbox.com/the-conn...-and-veganism/</a><br><br>
You can print it out and bring it with you if you'd like. Here is the print version:<br><a href="http://www.vegansoapbox.com/the-connection-between-the-environment-and-veganism/print/" target="_blank">http://www.vegansoapbox.com/the-conn...eganism/print/</a>
 

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Thanks for the pointers. Unfortunately, I really don't have time to sit and study all the details, since I'm going straight from work to the meetup. If I'd known about it sooner, I'd have prepared earlier. Luckily, it sounds pretty informal, so I should have a chance to talk to people, and to listen, and see what's what. Now that I know about the group, maybe I can get some flyers printed or something before next month's meetup.<br><br>
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Basic pointers:<br><br>
- Methane from the cattle etc (greenhouse gas, 4 times worse than carbon dioxide.)<br>
- Water usage is MASSIVE.<br>
- Fertilisers etc that destroy life in ponds/rivers due to making algae/weeds grow massively blocking out the sunlight and using the oxygen. (This obviously applies to crops, and as veg*ns we do eat crops but we use less because we cut out the middle-man of the animal being fed the crops first. )<br>
- Transport of animals to abattoirs etc.<br>
- Off the top of my head, 24% of global greenhouse gases emissions are from agriculture compared to 18% from the world's transport. Animal agriculture is a massive part of that figure and again, the whole fact that being veg*n uses less resources because we just eat the plants directly rather than the animal having to be fed them first.<br>
- Rainforest being destroyed for animal grazing. This has several impacts. 1) Less trees to reabsorb carbon dioxide and create oxygen, 2) animals produce methane/carbon dioxide themselves, 3) destroying the habitat, 4) the tree's roots and the dead leaves etc hold the nutrients and create the humus; without the trees there this is quickly washed away leaving the land pretty much dead and unable to support plant growth unless with fertilizer and as they don't really have the time and/or money to fertilise it back to grazing land they just cut down more rainforest.<br><br>
I can't really think of more because I need to go to bed now, sorry.<br><br>
If you stick to the fact that we consume less resources than meat-eaters you should be OK.
 

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Could you print out a sheet and bring that?
 

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Well, so much for preparing. I ended up missing the meeting altogether. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Thanks for the info, though, everyone. Maybe next month, I'll get a chance to share it with them, since these seem to be monthly gatherings.<br><br>
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If you need flyers to share, you may want to get some of these:<br><br>
Eating Sustainably by COK<br>
"full-color trifold brochure lets readers know that animal agriculture is one of the leading causes of pollution and resource depletion today. By choosing vegetarian foods, each of us can help protect the planet—and animals—at every meal."<br>
available at: <a href="http://www.cok.net/market/#pro-veg_literature" target="_blank">http://www.cok.net/market/#pro-veg_literature</a><br><br>
Diet & Environment by FARM<br>
postcard size "explaining the impact of dietary choices on the planet. Great for environmental events & films."<br>
get it here: <a href="http://www.farmusa.org/litRequest.php" target="_blank">http://www.farmusa.org/litRequest.php</a><br><br>
Well Fed World has a Global Warming handout. It's postcard size too:<br><a href="http://store.fastcommerce.com/AWellFedWorld/global-warming-handouts-ff8081812af460b7012b4f40fe1d4d5f-p.html" target="_blank">http://store.fastcommerce.com/AWellF...e1d4d5f-p.html</a>
 

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River,<br><br>
Thanks for that link. As I read it I had two reactions. A mixture of intense sadness/sickness and a genuine thankfulness that I have chosen to go vegan. I am 48 years old. I can't be a part of the cruelty in and from slaughterhouses. It disturbs me more as I get older. Once you know you cannot un-know. Once you see a thing you cannot un-see it. Most of my life has been spent in or around violence. The rest of it will be focused on compassion and doing no harm.
 

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River,<br><br>
Thanks for that link. As I read it I had two reactions. A mixture of intense sadness/sickness and a genuine thankfulness that I have chosen to go vegan. I am 48 years old. I can't be a part of the cruelty in and from slaughterhouses. It disturbs me more as I get older. Once you know you cannot un-know. Once you see a thing you cannot un-see it. Most of my life has been spent in or around violence. The rest of it will be focused on compassion and doing no harm.</div>
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That's wonderful! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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