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It makes me mad that on Wikipedia there's no English entry for "Universelles Leben" yet there's a Polish and Hungarian (and of course German) entry for the new religious movement (NRM - the P.C. way of saying "cult") "Universelles Leben" based in Wurzburg, Germany! I wish I had the money to hire someone fluent in German and English to type up a neutral article about this group. I find it very hard to find neutral and negative articles about Universelles Leben. Almost the only stuff I can find written about the group in English is positive stuff written by devotees themselves.<br><br><br><br>
Am I the only non-German speaking person here who has heard of this group? For those of you who don't know who they are, they are a Christian group mostly based in Germany who are very pro-animal rights. They stand out from all other religions I know of because they sell buttons, videos, and leaflets depicting gruesome scenes of animals, which is quite different from the way most Buddhist, Hindu, and Ching Hai groups encourage their followers to be vegetarian. I know of U.L. members protesting in the streets against animal abuse. No other religious group seems to go about animal activism in the same way U.L. does. U.L. is the most "PETA-like", I guess you could say (compared to, say, Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism, etc.)<br><br><br><br>
I was watching a documentary on Canadian poet Leonard Cohen, and they had a brief interview on the street with this slim guy who was wearing rather non-conventional clothes and he had a sign on him that I recognized from U.L. (the line-up of farm animal portraits, and some slogan like, "What has eyes people conscious of their responsibility do not eat").<br><br><br><br>
You can type in these phrases into a search engine to help you find sites about U.L. and see for yourself that if you can't read German you're basically screwed: Universal Life, The Inner Religion, The White Horse, Das Weisse Pferd, Radio Santec, Gut Zum Leben, The Word, Das Wort, Heimholungswerk Jesu Christi, Gabriele Wittek
 

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I am german, know this cult, have a negative opinion towards it what is exactly based on the fact that its more a cult than a lifestyle and that they are like "on a mission".<br><br>
My english may be not perfect but whatever you find, link it to me and i´ll translate as well as i can. Sunday i´ll have more time to give you an adequate response about what i actually know about them right now.<br><br>
Just remind me on the comparison to scientology and the pschologic disorder the founder of the cult has, was a schizophrenic or similar to that kind of disease (what i thought to recongize from old healers school knowledge, but i´m not practically experienced in working in psychology), difficult to get out, giving all money and herit to them and all that stuff...<br><br>
"The same procedure as in every cult..."<br><br><br><br>
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It seems that an English page for Universelles Leben has sprung up recently: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life</a><br><br><br><br>
I'm hoping that it will stop being a stub soon, and that there will be links to it from other Wikipedia pages, so that it won't be an orphaned article anymore.
 

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orphaned article.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> hehe, arrrh <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> j/k (excuse me) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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It is possible that Universelles Leben has branches in Hungary and Poland, and that is why pages can be found on wikipedia in those languages. Universelles Leben can also be found in France. They use the name "Vie Universelle".<br><br><br><br>
I do not know enough about this group to form an opinion. But many animal rights activists seem to want to steer clear from them and some refuse categorically to deal with them.<br><br><br><br>
As far as I know, they do not believe in equality between species, but I may be wrong.<br><br><br><br>
It's hard to know exactly what they believe without actually JOINING the group. And as they ARE definitely some kind of sect and/or cult, it's not something one wants to do just out of curiosity.<br><br><br><br>
They are very anti-Catholic. They believe in reincarnation (as did the early Christians). They do not believe in hell. They're a curious group.<br><br><br><br>
I know they have a sanctuary somewhere for animals.<br><br><br><br>
Some AR activists who I know who have done work with these people tell me that they did not try and push their religion when they were doing the AR work with them. That they did not use the opportunity to proselitise but only worked for the animals.<br><br><br><br>
I hope one day I will have the opportunity to meet some of these people and form my own opinion.
 

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Hi!<br><br><br><br>
Here they found more and more shops with real vegan stuff- and have an enterprise for vegan animal food, have a rescue place for animals and a naturopaths clinic- which is in parts even payed by the states official health insurances...<br><br>
In the shops - as far as i know- they also don´t "go for their mission", only lay out their books and flyers and ad-stuff- but all AR activists i know would never buy their products to not substitute them in any way. (Also its very expensive.)<br><br>
Their usual argumentations for selling is whether health reasons or christian-religious reasons, never animal rights- thats dealt with like it would be a useful good side-effect. Thats my opinion, the way i see and realize it here.<br><br><br><br>
love, dolores
 

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I found an English-language animal rights website that mentions them (which is very rare for an English-language website to do) but unfortunately it just lists them and doesn't say anything negative about them: <a href="http://members.dodo.net.au/kritters/" target="_blank">http://members.dodo.net.au/kritters/</a><br><br><br><br>
Also this messageboard has two people referring to U.L.: <a href="http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1588&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0" target="_blank">http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/php...er=asc&start=0</a> user violet13 and user flanders77. Maybe I should send a private message to flanders77; maybe he'd be able to tell me stuff about U.L. (stuff that dolores hasn't already told me, if that's possible - thank you dolores!)<br><br><br><br>
Has U.L. ever defended their use of parmesan in their pesto that they sell? Or do they just remain silent?<br><br><br><br>
dolores - thank you for your responses, are always very helpful and I love reading your posts. Don't feel you ever need to stop! On most of the messageboards I've visited, I get either zero responses, or everyone who posts says they've never heard of U.L. before.
 

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Hi!<br><br>
Well, most of us, i guess, live in countries where religious freedom is granted- so of course in a normal non-judging mentioning nothing negative can be said about UL- finally its each ones own decision to become a member or not. In germany we had only a big public discussion about if scientology should be allowed or forbidden, but because the religious freedom is granted in the constitution it had to be allowed. And honestly- religious freedom granted in the constitution is something good, eh? ;-) Mankind faces enough trouble since some centuries concerning religious wars....<br><br>
Also it would be like being on a "mission against" if we´d try to influence people to not become member of which group ever- and that would place us on the same -low- (mind-)level like such sects work ;-)<br><br><br><br>
Still haven´t found something about the parmesan- possibly they declare it on the nutritional way like in rawfoodbooks often animal fats are said to be okay to be eaten as fats should be somehow seen differently than animal proteins. ?<br><br><br><br>
love, dolores
 
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