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I did not know where to place this question. I was diagonosed with endometriosis at the end of May after having cysts removed and an appendix. The doctors formed a laporatomy when they previously found that I had ovarian cysts. I am starting to take the birth control that my surgeon prescribed to me. I still have faint pain. AND I AM EXTREMELY TIRED! I am trying to keep my eyes open as I type and blasting music.<br><br><br><br>
I put this thread in the Healthy Living section because while web surfing yesterday I read that endometriosis and hot flashes could be caused by a bad liver. It was on <a href="http://www.sensiblehealth.com." target="_blank">www.sensiblehealth.com.</a> Julia Chang had articles about how she strengthened her liver and helped complications with endo. And she also mentioned that birth control and pain killers were bad for the liver. Hot flashes were a sign of a bad liver according to Chineese medicine. And speaking on the topic of hot flashes, is it normal to have them when you are not even close to menopause! I used to have them when I was on my period or before I was about to start. Now I have them almost everyday! My surgeon said that it was because part of my ovary was taken away to remove the cyst. Is this normal even under those conditions?!<br><br><br><br>
If any of you have endo, has the birth control pills helped for you or did they make your symptoms worse? Has anyone tried the whole strengthening liver treatment? My Aunt has a bad liver and I wonder if such conditions run in the family. OH MY GOODNESS!!! DOES THE EXTREME TIREDNESS EVER GO AWAY OR THE EXTREME DIARRHEA AND THEN CONSTIPATION!!!!!!!!
 

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Milk Thistle and/or Alpha Lipoic Acid are extremely helpful for the liver. Milk Thistle cleanses it of toxins and Alpha Lipoic Acid protects and supposedly "heals" the liver. I highly suggest you do some research on them both. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
As for Endometriosis itself....make sure you're getting enough Vitamin E and Vitamin K. Vitamin E helps to maintain hormonal balance and Vitamin K is NEEDED for normal blood clotting. Alfalfa is a great source for Vitamin K. Also make sure you're getting enough Essential Fatty Acids because they aid in regulating hormonal and prostaglandin balance. One of the best sources of Essential Fatty Acids is Flax Seeds. Please make sure you're getting enough Iron, because it's common for people with endometriosis to have Iron-deficiency Anemia. The herb Nettle is rich in Iron. Don't take Iron supplements though, unless you've actually been diagnosed with Anemia and your'e doctor has told you how much to take. The B Vitamins promote blood cell productivity and proper hormone balance and they are NEEDED for proper adrenal function. Vitamin B6 aids the body in removing excess fluids. Please make sure you're taking a multivitamin as well as a multimineral so you know for sure that you're getting everything you need. You should definately be eating more greens...and in fact having "green drinks" is an excellent idea. A diet high in fiber is also very important in managing endometriosis.<br><br><br><br>
This is something from a book I have called "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" that you might find helpful:<br><br><br><br>
"Dioxins may be linked to endometriosis. Dioxins are chlorinated hydrocarbons and can be found in feminine hygiene products as a byproduct of the bleaching process. Dioxin can be absorbed into the body where it collects in fatty tissue. Pesticides are another source of dioxins, as are some types of waste incinerators."<br><br><br><br>
Extremely important: "According to a report in the 'Journal of the American Medical Association', strenuous exercise lowers the level of estrogen in the body, and this may help suppress the symptoms of endometriosis. The more aerobic exercise a woman engages in and the earlier she starts, the lower her risk of developing the disease in the first place, according to a study of endometriosis led by Daniel W. Cramer of Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School."<br><br><br><br>
It is also very important for you to avoid refined flour products, alcohol, caffeine, junk foods and fast foods, and sugar. I think I've never said anything more evil in my life! But it's true...they will only aggravate your symptoms. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I know that this isn't the most uplifting post...but the more information you arm yourself with, the more control you will be able to have over your situation.<br><br><br><br>
Feel better!
 

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I believe you are supposed to stay away from aged dairy cheeses as well...but double check.<br><br><br><br>
If it means anything, I know 2 people, both with similar situations as yourself (although, one had 1 full ovary and half the other taken out). For both of them, their symptoms disappeared permanently after childbirth. And yes, they were able to have natural conceptation.
 

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<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/933424.asp?vts=070120031700" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/933424.asp?vts=070120031700</a><br><br><br><br>
Speaking of dioxins, here is an article that came out today.
 

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<hugs> This must be so difficult to go through!<br><br><br><br>
The only thing I can suggest is maybe increasing the amount of soy you eat (if you're not allergic to it). I've heard it helps get rid of and prevent hot flashes. I'm not sure where I remember hearing this though. I would definitely do some research. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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If you eat dairy, stop immediately and see if that improves your symptoms. I used to get hot flashes, and severe cramps. All the doctors said it was normal, a couple talked about surgery, and I kept Advil in business singlehandedly for over 15 years.<br><br><br><br>
I quite eating all dairy products, and I haven't had a symptom since. No more severe cramps, no more ovulation cramps, no more hot flashes.
 

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thank you for the information and the sympathetic hugs. I talked to my doctor and he told me to take 800 mg. of Vitamin E for my hot flashes. I have had no more since<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I have suffered from endo and ovarian cysts for 8 years. I have had 3 lapros. I was even put on Depo Lupron injections which makes the body go through menopause and nothing worked. The doctor told me to getting pregnant would cure it. Well I had a baby 9 months ago and it's back. I told the doctor I wanted a complete hysterectomy because I know I don't want any more children. He said no because I was too young -26. Well I am going to get a second opinion because I'm tired of dealing with all the problems that come along with it. Right now my therapy is taking birth control and skipping the placebo and starting another pack so I don't get periods. But if you're tired all the time you might want to get tested for Epstein Bar Virus(chronic fatigue syndrome) as I suffer from this as well. I hope this helps you out. I feel your pain! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I used to get those hot flushes too.. but since my lapro I haven't...<br><br>
I went on birth control before then and that made it sooooooooooo much worse.... Maybe it was just the type of pill I had though..<br><br>
Hot flushes sucked ass so much, Im so glad I don't get them anymore!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"><br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">Danny</span>
 

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808Veggie,<br><br>
I hope that you can find another option that helps you better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I am also taking birth control pills but the doctor said that I did not need to take the placebo. So, I will be having periods. The doctor is switching me from low-ogestrol to ortho-tricyclin. I hope that it works well with me.
 

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I'm pretty skeptical of a "bad liver" having anything to do with endometriosis.<br><br><br><br>
I know that some pain relievers are bad for your liver, and others are safe for your liver. It depends which pain relievers you are talking aobut.<br><br><br><br>
You should never take acetaminophen (Tylenol, apap), or combination of ingredient pain-relievers that contain them as one ingredient, in larger than than the recommended dosage, and never with alcohol. The combo w alcohol, esp, can damage your liver, especially if you have an inherited susceptiiblity to that kind of liver damage.<br><br><br><br>
Opioid pain reliever are almost always very gentle on your liver. The problem is that they often come in combination with acetaminophen. If you need opioids I would suggest asking for a prescription for plain opioids. However the problem with that is plain opioids, in the US, are a Schedule 3 substance, requiring multipart federal prescription form; many of the combination of ingredient opioids are Schedule 2, and require no special prescription form.<br><br><br><br>
You shouldn't have a prob w acetaminophen tho, if you don't take more than 3 or 4 grams (6 or 8 extra-strength tabs or caplets) per day.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Very important to protect you liver: be careful not to take combination of ingredient opioids <b>and</b> plain acetaminophen -- you'll be getting double the dose of acetaminophen that is safe.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry, I know very little about endometriosis, except that is sucks.
 

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808veggie - Even though a hysterectomy decreases the chances of the endometreosis from reoccuring, it's not a cure. The endo can still come back. It not actually limited to the cervical area if you've had it for a while as the uterin tissue can have migrated to other parts of the body. In my case tissue was found wrapped around different parts of my colon (eww). Uterin tissue left behind after surgery could continue to grow and be the cause of reoccuring symptoms. Hysterectomy should be the ultimate last option as a hysterectomy itself has it's share of negatives (i.e. bone loss for one).
 

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I just get sick of pain and the warm flushes and everything else. Plus how many lapros will I have to endure? I'm willing to go through it.
 

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Before my hysterectomy, I went through 7 laps. Ugh!! I can definitely relate. I feel for ya. You were blessed to be able to conceive. As far as my research has taken me, there isn't a known cause or cure for endo. I have read that decreasing dairy helps make the symptoms less severe though. I'm still in the mode of paying close attention to my body; listening for it to come back. So far so good for me. I had a total hysterectomy in 2001 at 33. I've suffered with endo for as long as I can remember but wasn't actually diagnosed until about 23. Good luck to you. Keep researching and reading and trying new things. Maybe you'll find something that will work for you.
 

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I just recently read that many women were completely cured of endometriosis after giving birth....but sadly not all women. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Please please please read one of Dr. John Lee's books about natural progesterone. I am reading What your Dr May not tell you about Breast Cancer. He talks in great detail about other women's issues as well. I've seen him speak in person on his last tour, and it was riveting. He's very knowledgeable. I've suffered for years from cysts and also went through the simulated menopause with Lupron. It was pure hell, and it didn't help at all. I am determined not to have to deal with this any more.<br><br>
Natural Progesterone cream may be able to help you. It has helped me tremendously. Arbonne has a great product in a pump. You can order it through me, although you will be able to find other similar products at your HFS. If you order through me, I can also get you some literature and audio tapes to review.<br><br><br><br>
*hugs* I am so sorry to hear that you are going through this. It's sad to me that so many women suffer with this.<br><br>
I'm going to go back to the book and see if there's more info I can post for you.<br><br>
-Sally
 

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I hated being on Lupron. But before doing another lapro they want to do another round of that. So far my endo is only on my ovaries and uterus, they don't think it's gone into any other areas. If you can I'd find a support group to talk to. It can be rough.
 
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