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<a href="http://www.bcitbroadcastnews.ca/2011/03/02/endangered-sea-turtles-to-be-killed/" target="_blank">http://www.bcitbroadcastnews.ca/2011...-to-be-killed/</a><br><br>
What's the best way to conserve an endangered species? Killing more turtles isn't the obvious solution that comes to mind.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">The UBC Zoology department is in the hot seat after the Vancouver Sun published an article stating that endangered sea turtles were going to be killed. It was not previously known because UBC does not publicly disclose their research protocol.<br><br>
Brian Vincent is a representative of the Stop UBC Animal Research. He says he got a hot tip from what he calls a whistleblower employee at UBC who told him there were 6 to 8 endangered sea turtles that were going to be killed. Vincent says that this UBC employee claims that UBC was going to demolish the building where the sea turtles were housed and they had no other place to move these turtles.<br><br>
The head of the UBC Zoology Department responded in a report by the Vancouver Sun to questions as to why the endangered species are scheduled to be killed. Dr Bill Milsom says “they were brought in for these experiments [at UBC] and as part of those experiments, it requires harvesting the tissues.”<br><br>
Milsom did confirm the building is being demolished and that David Jones, the researcher heading the turtle study, had recently died.<br><br>
However, he claims that neither incident is a factor in the decision to kill the animals.</div>
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There is an interview with Brian Vincent available here: <a href="http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/index.html?releasePID=8JkxgpqYC_ofllYjCT1KKGvfyQnwyQzw" target="_blank">http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/inde...1KKGvfyQnwyQzw</a><br><br>
Also, the Vancouver Sun article:<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">"The final experiments require major surgery," Milsom said. They are necessary to "Help us understand why these animals have such high mortality when caught in trawl nets in warming oceans."</div>
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<br><div style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:#000000;">Read more: <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/kill+endangered+turtles+spring/4368965/story.html#ixzz1FWOJZ5pG" target="_blank">http://www.vancouversun.com/technolo...#ixzz1FWOJZ5pG</a></span></div>
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Isn't that kind of obvious? Those trawl nets are killing EVERYTHING, the solution is to stop using them not cut a bunch of turtles open. Granted not a lot of information about the nature of the experiments has been posted but from that quote I'm failing to see how killing these turtles is going to save others in the future.<br><br>
Apparently an action alert will be posted tomorrow, I will update soon.
 

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Looking forward to updates, this is... just gross. If there's any letter campaigns or petitions, do say, because this is disgusting <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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So... it's easy enough to find the contact details for the head of zoology at UBC... e-mail him directly? I don't wanna get banned here for harrassment though :p
 

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<div class="quote-block">"The final experiments require major surgery," Milsom said. They are necessary to "Help us understand why these animals have such high mortality when caught in trawl nets in warming oceans."</div>
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WHAT?! That's like asking, I wonder why people in armed conflict have such a high mortality rate? Because they are being shot, idiots!!!!
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2828726"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
WHAT?! That's like asking, I wonder why people in armed conflict have such a high mortality rate? Because they are being shot, idiots!!!!</div>
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The thing is, scientists will parade around as if their knowledge were Gnostic and impossible for laymen to understand to excuse these kinds of abuses.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kappa</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2828715"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
So... it's easy enough to find the contact details for the head of zoology at UBC... e-mail him directly? I don't wanna get banned here for harrassment though :p</div>
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We could just do that, I'm still waiting on that action alert from the head of Stop UBC Animal Research.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rotoshave</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2828726"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
WHAT?! That's like asking, I wonder why people in armed conflict have such a high mortality rate? Because they are being shot, idiots!!!!</div>
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I know! What on earth does doing surgery on turtles and installing pacemakers in their chests and then killing them and examining their tissue have to do with preventing them from being killed by trawl nets? WHY they get killed in them is painfully obvious, maybe they could make better use of their time protesting the use of such destructive fishing methods instead <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/inquisitive.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":stinkeye:"><br><br>
These turtles have already been alive and subjected to a bunch of tests for the past <i>10 years!</i> It's hard to think about, especially when it's happening practically right around the corner and it's so pointless <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Also, we only know about this because of an anonymous tipster. We don't even <i>know</i> how many other animals they are currently experimenting on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/spew.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":spew:">
 

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If you use Facebook and want to get updates and show some support: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/STOP-UBC-Animal-Research/105139849560624" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/p...05139849560624</a>
 

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Following now. Obviously not being in Canada even I can't do much but email, but I'll definitely network this to other activists I know as well. The science departments at my university are, so far as I know, never this crass and disgusting, so the students are generally behind this sort of thing.
 

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...WOW.<br><br>
I completely agree with Werewolf Girl, this is sick, if not just plain weird and pointless.<br><br>
THE TURTLES DIE BECAUSE THEY GET STUCK IN FISHING NET AND FISHING NET TEARS THEM UP.<br><br>
Hmm, let's check out their heart rates and see if we can figure out why they get stuck!<br><br>
D'oh!
 

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I'm going to remind myself about this in grade 12. I know where I'm definitely not going to university after this.<br>
Even if they don't kill the turtles, I'm still disgusted of their thoughts to do so.
 

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"Endangered UBC Sea Turtles to be Killed"<br><br>
I'm getting the vibe here that they're gonna kill the turtles.
 

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The action alert has been posted!<br><br>
For those who have Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=198176896877547" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=198176896877547</a><br><br>
And for those who don't:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">ALERT: HELP SAVE ENDANGERED SEA TURTLES AT UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA. UBC SET TO KILL TURTLES THIS MONTH.<br><br>
Over the weekend, a UBC insider tipped off Stop UBC Animal Research about the university's plans to kill six to eight imperiled green sea turtles. The whistleblower claimed UBC was killing the turtles because the university was closing some animal research facilities on UBC’s south campus and had no place to move the animals. UBC obtained the turtles ten years ago from a turtle farm in the Cayman Islands. Since then, the turtles have been experimented on and will be killed at the end of UBC's study this month.<br><br>
The story was picked up by the Vancouver Sun, which ran a front-page feature on UBC's plans to kill the turtles. See: <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/kill+endangered+turtles+spring/4368965/story.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3B5998;">http://www.vancouversun.co</span>m/technology/kill+endangered+turtles+spring/4368965/story.html</a><span style="color:#333333;">. Global TV also aired a story. See:</span> <a href="http://bit.ly/f48wg3" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/f48wg3</a><br><br><br><span style="color:#333333;">HOW YOU CAN HELP SAVE THE SEA TURTLES AT UBC</span><br><span style="color:#333333;">*Urge UBC's President to release the turtles immediately to a sanctuary so the animals may live their remaining days in peace. To contact UBC President and Vice-Chancellor Stephen J. Toope:</span><br><br><span style="color:#333333;">Email: <a href="mailto:p[email protected]">[email protected]</a></span><br><span style="color:#333333;">Phone: 604.822.8300</span><br><span style="color:#333333;">Fax: 604.822.5055</span><br><br><span style="color:#333333;">*Write a letter to the Vancouver Sun editor urging UBC to spare the sea turtles and to immediately release the animals to a sanctuary.</span><br><br><span style="color:#333333;">To submit letters to the Sun editor:</span><br><span style="color:#333333;">Email: <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a></span>m<br><br>
*Donate to Stop UBC Animal Research so we can continue our important work to end animal experiments at UBC. Go to: <a href="http://stopubcanimalresearch.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3B5998;">http://stopubcanimalresear</span>ch.org/</a><br><br><span style="color:#333333;">BACKGROUND:</span><br><span style="color:#333333;">All seven species of sea turtles are at high risk of extinction. Listed as endangered by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources, sea turtles face a host of threats. Those threats include: pollution, especially from oil spills, beach front development, ingestion of marine debris, such as plastic bags, the illegal turtle shell trade, and turtle egg and meat consumption. In addition, artificial lighting along beaches often discourages female turtles from nesting and disorients hatchlings who may mistakenly wander inland, exposing them to predation.</span></div>
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I'm submitting letters to the Vancouver Sun and the UBC president tomorrow when I'm not at work and have time to compose something reasonable sounding. If you want to help please do the same! Sending an email is a fairly easy thing to do and you don't even have to be local to express your opinion.<br><br>
I feel like even if we don't succeed it's still important to try our darndest and get our voices out there. A huge flood of emails would at least send the message that the general public is <i>not</i> okay with this and will fight against it any time the details of these grisly experiments come to light. It's certainly better than the alternative of sitting back in silence and doing nothing at all.
 

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Thanks. The pres'll be getting a letter from me.
 

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What if you're from a different country?<br><br>
Don't know why I'm in this forum in the first place but I want to help these animals now.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>vegkid</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2829679"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What if you're from a different country?<br><br>
Don't know why I'm in this forum in the first place but I want to help these animals now.</div>
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Doesn't matter! Where you're from is irrelevant, you can still email them and voice your opinion <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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My letter:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Dear president Toope,<br><br>
I write to you concerned about the safety of several endangered sea turtles being housed in the Zoology department of your institution. The sea turtles in question have been scheduled to be killed, according to an article in the Vancouver Sun, to help Dr. Milsom and his associates "understand why these animals have such high mortality when caught in trawl nets in warming oceans." This reasoning seems extremely fallacious. The reason why the sea turtles are dying is clear. The trawl nets are killing them, like they kill many other organisms. Vivisecting an endangered sea turtle to determine why they die in such large numbers in trawl nets is unreasonable. I hope you will use your influence to put a stop to this.<br><br>
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Very well written, thank you Rotoshave! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rockon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rockon:">
 

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Done and done.<br><br>
My letter:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Dear sir,<br><br>
I am writing because I am outraged about the experiments UBC researchers have been performing on endangered sea turtles. They claim they have been subjecting these turtles to cruel experiments that involve major surgery for the past 10 years in order to find out why they are being killed by destructive fishing methods like trawling nets, but isn't the answer extremely obvious? Those nets are putting many species in the ocean at risk, even tuna are rapidly going extinct because of our species greed for so called 'seafood.'<br><br>
Killing endangered turtles with the pretense of 'saving them' is irrational and insane, what possible information could be gathered from examining their dead tissue that isn't already known? The solution is to stop overfishing and killing everything in our oceans, not to waste time performing unethical experiments on other sentient beings. These researchers could have done a lot more good protesting the use of destructive fishing methods rather than torturing and killing even more endangered animals. I implore you to let these turtles live out the rest of their lives at a sanctuary where they can be free of any more painful and pointless experiments.<br><br>
Sincerely,<br><br>
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I sent the same letter to the Vancouver Sun minus the last sentence.
 
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