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i'm hoping someone can help me with this because i am getting quite flustered! i'm working on my website and after all of the hard work i realize that *duh* not everyone has my font installed on their pc and therefore the site looks like a** when they view it. anyway, i downloaded WEFT but am not even sure how to use it....or moreso am scared to! i really want to fix this and i know VBers are always of great help : )
 

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I don't know WEFT.... *goes and looks it up*.....<br><br><br><br>
5 mins later, I do now:<br><br><a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=WEFT+font+download&btnG=Google+Search&meta=" target="_blank">http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...e+Search&meta=</a><br><br><br><br><b>W</b>eb <b>E</b>mbedding <b>F</b>onts <b>T</b>ool (WEFT)<br><br><br><br>
this looks like a quite helpful page.... (To be honest there's probably better help sites than this, but anyway, we need examples right?... so whatever....)<br><br><a href="http://www.sean.co.uk/a/webdesign/embedding_fonts_in_webpages.shtm" target="_blank">http://www.sean.co.uk/a/webdesign/em..._webpages.shtm</a><br><br><br><br>
This site will prompt for your name to show you a simple demo of how your name or other word appears in the type-face demo shown....<br><br><br><br>
Proceeding which below the demo, is an all too brief "how to" on embedding fonts: (with I think WEFT in mind all the way).<br><br><br><br>
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ps, A mildly funny thing is that advice numbers #1-13 pieces are 'embedded' numbers on Seans page I think?!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> I guess you can know (sometimes/all the time?) what is embedded on any page or website when you find you can't highlight and copy the text or numbers in this case... He doesn't mention that I don't think, that was just my quirky observation. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
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Anyway, #9 seems important:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sean of the above site</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
WEFT will analyse your webpages to see which fonts they use and whether they can be embedded or not. The embedded font files (EOT files) can be set to only include the characters you're using. This is called subsetting. You can see which characters are included for each font by clicking on the subset button. If you want to be able to update text in future, it's a good idea not to use any subsetting. Otherwise you might find your font file doesn't have all the characters you later need.</div>
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WEFT Help/ user Group !<br><br><br><br><a href="http://groups.msn.com/MicrosoftWEFTuserscommunity/messageboard.msnw" target="_blank">http://groups.msn.com/MicrosoftWEFTu...sageboard.msnw</a><br><br><br><br>
btw: I'm assuming you have WEFT"3" which IS the latest I just found out!!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...ng/default.htm</a> (Embedding Demos)<br><br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...t3/default.htm</a> WEFT"3" overview.
 

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LISTEN: I don't know whether this is geared to preparation for putting fonts on Webpages, but thinking about it, it can hardly do you any harm can it?? And it must in some way prepare you for what you need to ensure, whether this has direct web production matters in mind or not.<br><br><br><br>
Furthermore, I would suggest having looked at related news in the MS archive linked in as possible related articles of news to the MFV, I see no other tool available like this so far in my brief search.. but as you can see in the quote below it does mention (relevant to you or not) something about "TrueType" & "OpenType"<br><br>
fonts, and these were in fact not surprsingly covered in the related links in the news archive linked to this article below.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>Microsoft Font Validator released</b><br><br><br><br>
Redmond, WA - 28 October 2002 (released)<br><br><br><br>
Microsoft's typography group has announced the release of the Microsoft Font Validator.<br><br><br><br>
The Microsoft Font Validator for Windows XP and Windows 2000 is a tool that evaluates how closely a TrueType or OpenType font adheres to the current font format specification, as well as whether the font meets basic recommendations and deliverable guidelines from Microsoft. The Font Validator can be useful to developers creating or modifying fonts, or to developers who are creating tools to generate valid fonts. The Validator performs tests of 'static' data as well as tests for run-time errors.</div>
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Developing fonts >> Tools & SDKs >><br><br><br><br><b>Microsoft Font Validator</b><br><br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/typography/FontValidator.mspx" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/typography/FontValidator.mspx</a><br><br><br><br>
NOTE: <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Where to Get Hold of Font Validator:</span></i><br><br>
Visit the Microsoft Font Validator Community site (in post above) and apply to join. The community includes a link to the Font Validator download and hosts release notes and related discussions.
 

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<span style="text-decoration:underline;">My other notes of observation:</span><br><br><br><ul><li>Another font I've seen mentioned a lot since looking into it some today is the "Clear-type Font" whatever that is.<br><br><br><br><br></li>
<li>The WEFT embedded font files CONSIST of what I ask myself?? Time to find out huh?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/book2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":book:"><br><br><br><br>
Well I see on Wiki "EOT" = Embedded OpenType.<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Embedding_Fonts_Tool" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Embedding_Fonts_Tool</a></li>
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wow, so much info - thanks for your time & research! i'd almost like to learn a way to get around using WEFT altogether.....but maybe that'd be where a "pro" would have to come in (of which i certainly am not : )
 

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Man I spent sometime getting these urls, but its no bother to me, as I was learning for myself as much as for you as I went along.... Its hard to say how I came about these, but basicly I was searching a million sites going from one website's links to another <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">, and of course I think what kick started me is the MS site and looking at font types. Oh and Wikipedia I was looking at somewhere along the line too....<br><br><br><br>
Anyway, at least these 4 links are all from one site (keeping things simple)... which I think you'll find is The World Wide Web Consortium, with here some of its "validating" and other Tools, there the guys that help set the standard for the web and bla bla bla.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools" target="_blank">www.w3.org/QA/Tools</a><br><br>
>><br><br><a href="http://www.w3.org/Status#Validator" target="_blank">www.w3.org/Status#Validator</a><br><br>
>><br><br><a href="http://validator.w3.org" target="_blank">http://validator.w3.org</a><br><br>
>><br><br><a href="http://validator.w3.org/about.html" target="_blank">http://validator.w3.org/about.html</a>
 

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<div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>BethanY</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
wow, so much info - thanks for your time & research! i'd almost like to learn a way to get around using WEFT altogether.....but maybe that'd be where a "pro" would have to come in (of which i certainly am not : )</div>
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Yeah, but don't know if there is a way around it, but I would keep an open mind for sure!! Screw M$ if you have to, or simply don't like them to help you at all.<br><br><br><br>
You know I'm as new to all this as you and not anymore in the know than you. Less so probably until yesterday & today. I've never set up a website, but this site here I came across today is a fine set of links and is a nice easy on the eye site to browse for more info, such as in the link section:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.wannabewebster.com/links1.html" target="_blank">http://www.wannabewebster.com/links1.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.wannabewebster.com/links2.html" target="_blank">http://www.wannabewebster.com/links2.html</a><br><br><br><br>
anyways, you're welcome. Let me know how you go! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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ps, 2 more validator tools for html ETC...<br><br><br><br>
both kinda self explanatory though and easy to grapple with/ use, as you use them online:<br><br><br><br>
WDG Validator (whatever that stands for) <a href="http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator" target="_blank">http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite" target="_blank">http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite</a> (recommended on wannabewebster seeability page <a href="http://www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#seeability" target="_blank">www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#seeability</a>)<br><br>
A great utility to check webpage code for errors before you load it onto your server. Available in a great Free version or a much more functional version for a moderate price.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
btw: I think likewise applies to online use of the validator service told about in the 4 WWWC links in my #7 post, (again this validator too is free I'm quite sure, I mean it would be it being online to use...)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
soooo nada/nothing to install, as far as I've witnessed all except the WEFT3 which you've already installed.
 

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more good info:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#html" target="_blank">http://www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#html</a> (WYSIWMWYG/ html CSS --etc)<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#htmlresource" target="_blank">http://www.wannabewebster.com/website.html#htmlresource</a> (WYSIWMWYG verses 'hands-on')
 

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i spoke to a web designer, and other than WEFT and a depricated alternative from bitstream, not much has materialized on the embedded font front.<br><br><br><br>
two popular workarounds are to make an image out of text, or to "embed" the text/font in flash.<br><br><br><br>
let us know which way you go. i'd like to learn more about it myself.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>VeggieFrank</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
two popular workarounds are to make an image out of text, or to "embed" the text/font in flash.</div>
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i am aware of making an image out of text (which is still an option) but it doesn't seem nearly as painless to me ; )
 

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How will WEFT pages look to those not using IE?
 

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Weally Ef -Fing Terrible? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> (I don't know) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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How will WEFT pages look to those not using IE?</div>
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well, if i'm understanding your question correctly, the point of WEFT is to embed fonts into a site's html code and therefore the font should show up for nearly everyone who views it....whether that particular computer has that font installed or not.
 

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Apart from html FRONT PAGE editing tool (assuming thats right) or similar, I was surfing uTube and found vid tutorials of Mantra.net <b>but</b> <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">the site appears to be down or closed.</span></i> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> It looked promising as a way to place text on your page YOURSELF <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> which really got my attention as it eliminates all the hassle of getting a professional to upload to a server for you, etc (and the rest of the process which I don't know about).<br><br><br><br>
Whether the site is permanently down or not, I still really think it could be worth you looking at these Mantra.net tutorials on uTube! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Here's one which is meant as an introduction or overview to Mantra.net and starts out by telling you can you place your own text easily anytime and from anywhere onto your page! (I so hope that is still possible using Mantra some place or if not Mantra, whatever else does the job as easily as this claims) <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_wJLnrbcs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_wJLnrbcs</a>
 
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