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I just read in a book called 'Becoming Vegan' that 50% if people with Eating Disorders(Anorexia, Bulimia, COE)will become Veg*n! WoW, that number is strickingly high. It's funny to read that b/c i was lurking at another vegan site a few days ago and their were so many posters talking about 'needing to lose weight' and how they should not eat fattening vegan foods( nuts and avocodos) --but then like ten of the posters admitted to having an ED.<br><br>
I just wanted to post this so members here can be aware that people with ED might come here for tips on weight loss. What are your thoughts on this?
 

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i'm a little confused.. after these people with eating disorders become veg*n, does their eating disorder continue? or does veg*nism simply replace that method as their way to lose weight?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by stonecrest</i><br><br><b>i'm a little confused.. after these people with eating disorders become veg*n, does their eating disorder continue? or does veg*nism simply replace that method as their way to lose weight?</b></div>
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I think the latter.<br><br><br><br>
I would imagine that veg*nism would be appealing to many people with obsessive tendencies, especially that deal with eating.<br><br><br><br>
Some promoters of veg*nism use weight loss as a lure for turning veg. I think that is too bad. It may help some people but not all. Plus, it is sort of missing the many other good reasons to go veg*n.
 

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Once people turn vegs, they will eventually find out about the other good reasons to go veg. It is a gradual process.
 

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I think an anorexic is far more likely to become a veg than would a bulimic. An anorexic will become a veg to hide their eating disorders. It's much easier telling your parents you don't eat meat than telling them why your skipping your meals. Not to mention, it's generally easier to exclude the major sources of fat from your diet. Although, I know of some anorexics that are veg for different reasons. I can't see a big benefit of going veg for an bulimic.
 

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I wouldn't doubt that there are people here with a current ED. But, I think if they wanted weight loss tips they would visit some different sites.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>Some promoters of veg*nism use weight loss as a lure for turning veg. I think that is too bad. It may help some people but not all. Plus, it is sort of missing the many other good reasons to go veg*n.</b></div>
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not only is it too bad, it's totally misleading, and i think a lot of people who go veg' for weight loss reasons won't stick with it.<br><br><br><br>
plus, as i've been saying for months and months here, ain't nothin' wrong with the FAT, baby. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I just cant agree with you that its ok to be fat. High sugar diets lead to type two diabetes. I am guessing this is one thing that may lead vegans to be overweight. I don't see anything with being overweight per se just thought I would add that being over weight is usualy a sign of problems in the diet.
 

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There are many conditions which are co morbid (occur at the same time) with obesity. One could be asthma, since someone with asthma would be more likely to lead a less active lifestyle. Does this mean that excess weight causes asthma? No. Does asthma cause overweight--meaning, is there something inherent in the mechanism of asthma that causes fat cells to expand and multiply? No. Can there be a co-relational relationship between asthma and overweight? Yes.<br><br><br><br>
There are complex factors in the development of overweight and obesity, including genetic factors, eating and exercise habits, endocrine balance and physical health status, as well as mental health and situational aspects. All of these factors can influence how healthy you are and how long you will live.<br><br><br><br>
Being fat does not mean that you are unhealthy. But being unhealthy can include being fat, along with smoking, not exercising, not wearing your seat belt, driving drunk, and not practicing protected sex.<br><br><br><br>
If you are fat and die of syphilis, is it being fat that killed you? No. But the way obesity co relational studies are conducted, if a significant number of fat people began to die of syphilis, there would then be a positive correlation between fat and syphilis. Highly misleading.<br><br><br><br>
Remember, obesity studies are not experiments, they are simply statistical analysis of large amounts of data regarding death or illness and weight. There is no safe, reliable way to do valid experiments on obesity in humans. So the most researchers can do is plug in a bunch of numbers and then make their own inferences regarding relationships. Inferences are basically educated guesses. Please do not let guesses, even educated ones, make you fatphobic. Just don't.
 

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When I was 15, I cut way down on my meat consumption to lose weight, but I still ate fish and birds occasionally. (This was back when low-fat, high-carb diets were popular.) I did end up anorexic but that's a mental problem; it's not caused by being a vegetarian. I've since become a vegan for ethical reasons and I wouldn't promote it as a weight-loss diet.<br><br><br><br>
WORD to Kreeli's post about fat. I would like to add that there are different definitons of "fat." Some people think that you're fat if you wear a size 6 instead of a size 2.
 

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"being over weight is usualy a sign of problems in the diet."<br><br>
***I totally agree with Magates***<br><br><br><br>
I think Magates point is that being over weight is **usually** a sign of problems in the diet.<br><br><br><br>
Tha USA statistics show that AMericans are way too fat. The stats on kids makes me sick to my stomache. I personally thin it *IS* child abuse to let your kids eat junk-food all day and sit in front of the TV for 3+ hours a day leading these American kids to be overweight which could and probably will lead to health and emotional problems. It about diet and exercise ..something the average American and (other 1st world countries) are experiencing. I think it's sad and needs to be addressed.
 

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Oriental Asians are now becoming obese:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/international/asia/13OBES.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/in...ia/13OBES.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Please refrain from calling them "Asians". Call them "Oriental Asian" so as not to insult me. Thanks.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Rushabh</i><br><br><b>Oriental Asians are now becoming obese:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/international/asia/13OBES.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/in...ia/13OBES.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Please refrain from calling them "Asians". Call them "Oriental Asian" so as not to insult me. Thanks.</b></div>
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I was wondering if you could explain what you mean. A) I thought "oriental" was bad. I use "south east asians", and B) are you saying something bad about South East Asians. Not trying to pick a fight, I am just confused.<br><br><br><br>
And as far as obesity, there just hasn't been enough research to prove either way whether fat itself is a cause of serious illness. So I do not come down either way. I stick with the idea that if you eat right and exercise well, then that's all that matters. Not to mention that many people are motivated to lose weight more from self-hate than practical concerns. That's just not cool.<br><br><br><br>
But I do not think that sugar is a cause of type II diabetes. I am almost certain that is an old myth.
 

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"Not to mention that many people are motivated to lose weight more from self-hate than practical concerns. That's just not cool."<br><br>
I totally agree!! I think if young children learn about healthy diets especially a healthy veg*n diet and how to enjoy physical excersise this would be great. I think a lot of what is presented in the media leads to unrealistic goals of what young people should look like, leading to the rise of ED among American youth . YKWIM.
 

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Hypothetically speaking, are any of you aware if eating disorders can be subconscious? Can a person be completely unaware that s/he has an eating disorder, and think s/he is perfectly healthy, but is losing weight due to detrimental eating habits?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>I was wondering if you could explain what you mean. A) I thought "oriental" was bad. I use "south east asians", and B) are you saying something bad about South East Asians. Not trying to pick a fight, I am just confused.<br><br></b></div>
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There shouldn't be any confusion here unless you failed in geography.<br><br><br><br>
Asia = all lands encompassing the Asia continent. Includes countries such as Iran, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Krgzystan (sp?), Tibet, Nepal, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, South Korea, North Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Mongolia, Japan, and a few other countries.<br><br><br><br>
Asian = someone who comes from one of the above listed countries.<br><br><br><br>
But newspaper editors probably failed their geography classes. They seem to think "Asians" refer only to those that come from the Far East and SouthEast Asia. That's pretty insulting.<br><br><br><br>
So use the proper terminology:<br><br>
Oriental Asian = someone from the Orient side of Asia including the Far East and SouthEast Asia, bordering the Pacific Ocean.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Vegankat</i><br><br><b>Hypothetically speaking, are any of you aware if eating disorders can be subconscious? Can a person be completely unaware that s/he has an eating disorder, and think s/he is perfectly healthy, but is losing weight due to detrimental eating habits?</b></div>
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Definitely. A lot of people think that starvation means consuming zero calories. But a diet below 900 calories is considered starvation, so a person could could still eat a lot of low-calorie foods and fool themselves into thinking that they are getting enough nutrients.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Rushabh</i><br><br><b>There shouldn't be any confusion here unless you failed in geography.<br><br><br><br></b></div>
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I think the confusion comes from being told by other Asians that "oriental" is insulting because the word refers to objects, not people. I'll call you what you want to be called, but it isn't easy to know what you you want to be called when other people of your background would rather be called Asian Pacific Islanders.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Verbivore</i><br><br><b>I think the confusion comes from being told by other Asians that "oriental" is insulting because the word refers to objects, not people. I'll call you what you want to be called, but it isn't easy to know what you you want to be called when other people of your background would rather be called Asian Pacific Islanders.</b></div>
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Thanks. I have also been told by many people that Oriental is insulting bc it means "east of here" which makes the Western world the reference point. But, yes, my confusion had nothing to do with geography, and I find it a little rude that R insinuated that it was.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Beansprout</i><br><br><b>I personally thin it *IS* child abuse...</b></div>
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Ooh! Methinks that was a Freudian slip!!
 
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