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I'm confused... I heard about this vegan butter spread from VB, and i went and picked up some. I saw that they have a website, so i checked it out...<br><br><br><br>
On one of <a href="http://www.earthbalance.net/faq.html" target="_blank">the faq's</a> it says:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>What proof do you have that Smart Balance really works to improve blood cholesterol?</b><br><br>
Brandeis University nutrition scientists developed the Smart Balance oil blend over many years with continuous animal feeding studies as well as a published human study, to support the contention that precisely balanced fats with limited dietary cholesterol and no trans fatty acids can help improve the HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio entirely through dietary means.Other conditions to help achieve this blood cholesterol effect include a balanced intake of at least two-thirds of dietary fat; limiting total fat to 30% of calories; saturated fat to 10% and regular exercise. Detailed information is available in the Smart Balance Backgrounder in our web site or is available free by mail.</div>
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I dont really know what to make of that. Does anyone know anything else about it?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>southern_vegan</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Wait, are we talking about Smart balance, or Earth balance??</div>
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Their formulas are based on the same research from Brandeis.
 

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wow.<br><br>
that sucks.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
though I've never used it.<br><br>
<3 olive oil ftw <3
 

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I bought some Earth Balance the other day. Won't be buying it again if it does animal testing! It's terrible, we live our lives trying to be cruelty-free, and realize we are supporting things we don't approve of!
 

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But what's the alternative? If you boycott EB for not having animal fats or trans-fatty acids, simply because they indirectly know through the testing that these components are bad for you, won't you have to boycott ALL margerines? How about olive oil brands that advertise the health benefits of diets absent of saturated fats? How did they gain that knowledge?<br><br><br><br>
Split hairs to this degree and you're going to have to basically dismiss all of modern medicine and technology.
 

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I so wish "vegan" meant not tested on animals. It feels misleading to have the label "vegan" not mean cruelty-free.
 

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thanks queen fluff <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
i get that eventually we'd end up boycotting everything, but i'd rather not eat margarine at all if i cant find one that isnt cruelty free.<br><br><br><br>
its not clear if they continue to test or if they just did test at one time... but still, knowing that there are so many alternatives to animal testing, it just makes me sad to hear that i bought something tested on animals <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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This is disappointing news. EB by FAR works the best in baking, imo. Plus, it tastes yummy.<br><br><br><br>
I will be interested to see what you reply you receive, queenfluff.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>joyinc</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
thanks queen fluff <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
i get that eventually we'd end up boycotting everything, but i'd rather not eat margarine at all if i cant find one that isnt cruelty free.<br><br><br><br>
its not clear if they continue to test or if they just did test at one time... but still, knowing that there are so many alternatives to animal testing, it just makes me sad to hear that i bought something tested on animals <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Yeah, thanks. The website isn't terribly clear. It doesn't really associate them with Brandeis research, other than that they use the "patented formula." I read it as the company trying to associate themselves with cutting-edge research.
 

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hmmm thats a really good point. i hope the company's response is good. I actually like this stuff much better then regular margarine
 

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I think if we include all companies who use knowledge gained from animal research in marketing or developing their own products as opposed to paying for specific animal research for their particular product, then yes, we will pretty much have to boycott almost everything. For example, I bet tomato farmers pay fees to the tomato farmer guild, and I bet part of those fees are used for grants to scientists to do nutritional studies using tomatoes, some of which use animals.<br><br><br><br>
One of the ways many "not tested on animals" products exist is by using the formulas developed by companies who did test on animals when the patents run out. But by buying them, we aren't supporting the original company.<br><br><br><br>
I think there are no perfect choices in life and we often have to make compromises. I think part of that equation is what sacrifices by us give us the biggest ethical bang for our buck so to speak. At a certain point not only do we get diminishing returns, but we may actually get negative returns by either causing ourselves so much stress we are less functional, or by wasting or time and money that could be better used in more productive ways for the animals.<br><br><br><br>
I also think this is another example of why we should never make assumptions that a company that sells vegan, natural, or alternative products is more "wholesome" or ethical than a larger, or more mainstream company.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Thalia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think if we include all companies who use knowledge gained from animal research in marketing or developing their own products as opposed to paying for specific animal research for their particular product, then yes, we will pretty much have to boycott almost everything. For example, I bet tomato farmers pay fees to the tomato farmer guild, and I bet part of those fees are used for grants to scientists to do nutritional studies using tomatoes, some of which use animals.<br><br><br><br>
One of the ways many "not tested on animals" products exist is by using the formulas developed by companies who did test on animals when the patents run out. But by buying them, we aren't supporting the original company.<br><br><br><br>
I think there are no perfect choices in life and we often have to make compromises. I think part of that equation is what sacrifices by us give us the biggest ethical bang for our buck so to speak. At a certain point not only do we get diminishing returns, but we may actually get negative returns by either causing ourselves so much stress we are less functional, or by wasting or time and money that could be better used in more productive ways for the animals.<br><br><br><br>
I also think this is another example of why we should never make assumptions that a company that sells vegan, natural, or alternative products is more "wholesome" or ethical than a larger, or more mainstream company.</div>
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Very well said! I agree. There are so many things that were tested on animals in the past - we can't do anything about the past. I think the question is now that we should avoid products that continue to test on animals. (alot of places do it because of health insurance laws I heard - not sure exactly how that works - but basically to protect themselves against lawsuits I would figure)<br><br><br><br>
I also agree with the vegan thing - it seems odd for a company to market something as vegan (esp with that big "VEGAN" on the package!) and know that vegans will buy their products and that most vegans are against animal testing. Hopefully this company doesn't make that mistake.<br><br><br><br>
Hopefully I get a response and they don't ignore me! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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i agree as well... and i think that it's important to support companies that used to test on animals and decided to stop.<br><br><br><br>
I guess i just wonder what the company's stance on this particular issue is. did they test before and now they are done? or if a new product comes out, will they test on animals again?<br><br><br><br>
i fully realize that we will have to make compromises in life as far as animal testing goes, but i've always thought that if enough people make a big enough stink about something, the big companies eventually listen <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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*sigh* Here's hoping it doesn't become yet another thing to cross off my shopping list. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dozey.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":tired:">
 

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Instead of using "vegan" margarines, I use virgin coconut oil. Since it stays a solid when kept under 76 degrees, I can keep it at room temperature (during the winter anyway) and it's very spreadable, very yummy, and no nasty trans crap to worry about. Just plain coconut oil....nothing added to it. Yum
 
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