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So the first half of today's episode of Dr. Oz was all about a healthy vegan diet (yay!), and here is an overview of the information that was presented today:<br><br><a href="http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/prehistoric-diet-plan" target="_blank">http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/prehistoric-diet-plan</a><br><br>
Why they call it a prehistoric diet, I'm not sure -- of course early humans ate plenty of plants, but I was also under the impression that humans evolved to be able to digest meat. In fact I dedicated a somewhat lengthy post to this theory a while back, having to do with the issue of "just because we can, doesn't mean we should."<br><br>
ANYWAYS. I'm veering off topic.<br><br>
If you are logged into facebook while on the page I linked, you can see a ton of posts at the bottom from a bunch of haters -- many of whom appear to be in favor of the paleo diet. It's so weird -- it's like a ton of fad-dieters came out of the woodwork to conspire against veganism and against Dr. Oz. Also, how is the paleo diet even supportable? It's common knowledge that animal products greatly contribute to chronic, fatal diseases, and some of these people claim that such illnesses didn't exist until agriculture came along! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thinking.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":think:"> Hmm...maybe because agriculture helped to extend people's lives to the point that chronic illnesses had TIME to develop?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><br><br>
Look, I can totally understand the perspective of health-minded people who argue for a MAINLY plant-based diet with SOME low-fat meat and dairy, since they do contain protein and such (though perhaps they should read <i>The China Study</i>). Having a healthy body allows you to combat the negative effects that animal products can have, and such people can rest assured that they're getting enough protein, calcium, etc. But paleos apparently think you shouldn't eat grains or legumes!! Seriously, where do these people come from?!<br><br>
Also a lot of soy-haters in that group. Grrr. Of course soy can have those negative effects attributed to it...WHEN YOU EAT TOO MUCH OF IT. All vegan foods in moderation, people. Argh.<br><br>
Okay, rant over. What are your thoughts?
 

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There are a lot of items on the list that would not be available would it not be for modern agriculture. Grains? Pasta? Fortified Soy Milk? Come on, how is that prehistoric?? I agree with the diet but it is in no way what people ate in prehistoric times.
 

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I'm glad he is throwing vegan suggestions out there to a widespread audience. That being said, Dr. Oz is a whack-a doodle.
 

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I'm glad he is throwing vegan suggestions out there to a widespread audience. That being said, Dr. Oz is a whack-a doodle.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mollycakes</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3025012"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I'm glad he is throwing vegan suggestions out there to a widespread audience. That being said, Dr. Oz is a whack-a doodle.</div>
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I don't like how mainstream he is now. Sometimes he says things that I agree with, but other times he really annoys me.<br><br>
ETA: I agree this shouldn't be called a caveman diet. Why not not just call it a vegan diet or a plant based diet?
 

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I'm super he glad he did this show today, but to be honest, I'm afraid their misnomer might give ammunition to those who attack veganism as ignorant. Like Spoonerism, I agree with some things he says, as well -- he seems to be right on with what he says about nutrition. But so much of the show seems like hype -- specifically the way certain topics are presented.<br><br>
Anyway, it just really surprised me that SO many people who were commenting on the episode favor a paleo diet. I had NO idea it was so popular.
 

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I bet he's calling it a caveman diet to counteract the stupid "paleo" diets! I saw an episode with some guy disputing all the scientific facts on healthy diets, saying how great fatty meats and cholestol are (something like that). Oz really bashed him.<br><br>
I really want to like Dr. Oz, but he's so wishy -washy. Not as much as his daughter, Daphne, though!<br><br>
People do listen to him, so I'd give him a shout out of approval!
 

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I wish people wouldn't justify any diet by saying it's what our ancestors ate and they were healthier. It's pretty obvious from the stomach contents of preserved "prehistoric" (how vague is that term?!) bodies that they ate whatever meat they could hunt along with what they could forage. The example that springs to mind is a 5,000 year old body found in an Italian glacier who had ibex meat, deer meat, some unidentified vegetables and bread made from spelt flour in his stomach. If that isn't evidence that people have been eating grains for a significant period of our evolution, I don't know what is.<br><br>
The important thing to realise is that it doesn't matter what people ate 5,000 years ago as we live in a different world now.<br><br>
Diets based on faulty premises are only going to gain support among the ignorant or the yoyo dieting crowd. Diets based on scientific research like veganism with the China Study are the way to go. You don't need to make any stupid claims about our ancestors to defend the kind of diet Dr Oz is promoting here.
 

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I wish people wouldn't justify any diet by saying it's what our ancestors ate and they were healthier. It's pretty obvious from the stomach contents of preserved "prehistoric" (how vague is that term?!) bodies that they ate whatever meat they could hunt along with what they could forage. The example that springs to mind is a 5,000 year old body found in an Italian glacier who had ibex meat, deer meat, some unidentified vegetables and bread made from spelt flour in his stomach. If that isn't evidence that people have been eating grains for a significant period of our evolution, I don't know what is.<br><br>
The important thing to realise is that it doesn't matter what people ate 5,000 years ago as we live in a different world now.<br><br>
Diets based on faulty premises are only going to gain support among the ignorant or the yoyo dieting crowd. Diets based on scientific research like veganism with the China Study are the way to go. You don't need to make any stupid claims about our ancestors to defend the kind of diet Dr Oz is promoting here.</div>
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I, too, was confused as to why he was calling, what was obviously a vegan diet, a 'prehistoric diet'. I'm glad he did the show, tho, because he has a huge following! It seems he's become the 'house' doctor, which, I guess is not a bad thing. My pet peeve with Dr. Oz is that he is all over the diet 'map'. One day he'll present a vegan diet, then a few days later he'll promote the South Beach Diet, then the next day -- yeah, veggie's the way to go, and then, sure enough, he'll have some other meat/fish/dairy based diet on...sigh. I would imagine it would be difficult for someone who's looking for a healthy diet, to figure out what is what. Otherwise, I must say, I do appreciate that he, at least, presents alternatives to SAD.
 

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I don't understand how prehistoric humans qualify as healthy, let alone healthier than we are today. Isn't the estimated life span of humans that far back something like 30 years? Granted there are other factors in lifespan than average health, but surely it was a major factor ... Heck, most people even within recorded history are hardly glowing examples of health.
 

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There are a lot of items on the list that would not be available would it not be for modern agriculture. Grains? Pasta? Fortified Soy Milk? Come on, how is that prehistoric?? I agree with the diet but it is in no way what people ate in prehistoric times.</div>
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If we're talking "cave-man" times, almost every non-animal source of food we think of wasn't around yet. The photo of fruits and veggies in the article, for example, shows nothing that existed back then. The spring onions, grapes, and grape leaves had some less attractive ancestors, but those in the photo, and all of the other items, are a product of recent selective breeding.
 

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Exactly... I love it when the 30-bananas a day people say that they are consuming a natural diet, when 'bananas' weren't even edible until fairly recently.<br><br>
Not poo-pooing any specific diet... just saying it's all basically bullsh-t.
 

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I don't understand how prehistoric humans qualify as healthy, let alone healthier than we are today. Isn't the estimated life span of humans that far back something like 30 years? Granted there are other factors in lifespan than average health, but surely it was a major factor ... Heck, most people even within recorded history are hardly glowing examples of health.</div>
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When the women got on the prehistoric diet, their health improved, blood pressure dropped, lost weight, etc. so the prehistoric diet is superior to SAD and will probably help them live longer.
 

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If you are logged into facebook while on the page I linked, you can see a ton of posts at the bottom from a bunch of haters -- many of whom appear to be in favor of the paleo diet.</div>
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"Paleo" sounds sort of cool, you have to admit and it's a fairly easy diet to follow - simply slap the word in front of your favorite food.....paleo frappuccinos anybody?.....and off you go! If you are ever fortunate enough to meet a paleo advocate in person, take the time to chat with them. When they get really revved up, ask them how cavemen made cheese or if drinking milk from dinosaurs would have been as hard as it sounds and they try to explain themselves out of that. When they're done, club them over the head and take their wallet - paleo folks respect that kind of thing.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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There are a lot of items on the list that would not be available would it not be for modern agriculture. Grains? Pasta? Fortified Soy Milk? Come on, how is that prehistoric?? I agree with the diet but it is in no way what people ate in prehistoric times.</div>
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Marketing? How sexy is a "plant-based diet" vs. being a 4'6" caveman who is middle aged by 12?<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Exactly... I love it when the 30-bananas a day people say that they are consuming a natural diet, when 'bananas' weren't even edible until fairly recently.</div>
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30 bananas a day! These folks are better than paleo supporters though I am not sure if they exist outside of the Internet.
 

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<div class="quote-block">When the women got on the prehistoric diet, their health improved, blood pressure dropped, lost weight, etc. so the prehistoric diet is superior to SAD and will probably help them live longer.</div>
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I'm talking about the ACTUAL diet eaten by prehistoric humans. Which is not necessarily something we'd want to emulate if in fact that is what we were doing instead of giving a catchy name to a diet loosely based on a fantasy. 'Paleo' or 'prehistoric' diets are only slightly more historically accurate than Racquel Welch in "One Million Years BC".<br><br>
In particular, a diet that is in reality based on prehistoric human diets would involve significant insect consumption. Which I rarely see mentioned by paleofantasists, let alone put into practice.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">almost every non-animal source of food we think of wasn't around yet.</div>
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The phrase 'non-animal' isn't necessary. The breeds used for consumption are also the result of selective breeding. Even 'wild' animals have been selectively hunted to promote or repress characteristics. Not as neat and tidy a process as the breeding of livestock but similar.<br><br>
This so called 'prehistoric' diet may be wonderful, but it has little to do with prehistoric human diets. 19th century popular fiction, yes, prehistory, no. It could be called the "Kalamazoo diet" or whatever silly thing strikes a chord.
 

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I'm glad he is throwing vegan suggestions out there to a widespread audience. That being said, Dr. Oz is a whack-a doodle.</div>
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Love your word choice and completely agree.
 
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