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I've been a member of the FoodNetWork message boards for a while now. I've told a couple of members about this board because they professed to be vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
A certain person came on here offering to help with recipes. After I sent her here, she explained to me that she eats fish and has no problem with the "killing" of the animals. She just doesn't like how they are raised. I'm so sorry, I know all are accepted if they have a devotion to vegetarianism, but this is not how most of us feel. I'll be more careful in the future.<br><br><br><br>
I am not happy with the forums on the FN at all anymore. So much talk about things like the raising of geese and duck for their livers. Rabbits for their hearts, head cheese from the baby cows, it just goes on and on. And they think it's funny! How, can I possibly be around these people any longer? There is no enlightening people with these attitudes, they gang up and make all the stupid comments you all have mentioned.<br><br><br><br>
They know what goes on and yet can continue to encourage the perpetutation of the horrors that go on every second of every day.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry for the semi-rant, but it breaks my heart that people "in the know" are so unknowledgeable!<br><br><br><br>
God Bless the hearts and souls of all His beings.
 

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It's good to vent - better than holding it all inside and stewing.<br><br><br><br>
I am in the food business (restaurant/catering manager) - and I used to get frustrated, angry, hurt, saddened, sickened, etc. on a daily basis.<br><br><br><br>
As mostly a self preservation move I decided I would have compassion for the people who continue to support the suffering of animals - Do all that I could in a peaceful way to ease the suffering of animals - and, of course Lead my own life in the best way I can. End of story for me.<br><br><br><br>
All the emotional pain of letting "it" get to me wasn't worth it - and certainly it wasn't helping the cause of animals any.<br><br><br><br>
As for FoodNetwork - I didn't know they had a message board, but you can save yourself the frustration by just avoiding it (that or toughen up your skin - I prefer just avoiding situations where I'm just going to get upset).<br><br><br><br>
Lucky for us we have a great food area right here on VB!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
p.s - I feel sorry for ignorant people who make jokes in response to animal suffering. I believe, in the end, what comes around goes around though.
 

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I'm sorry. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
I know that I don't watch food network as much as I used to, because everytime I turn it on, there is some rotten hunk of flesh sitting around while Chef 'Whoever' talks about how 'gorgeous' it is. Blah. It's very frustrating that people can't see the truth when it's right in front of them. *shakes head*
 

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Vegluv,<br><br><br><br>
People are vegetarians for many reasons. Also, remember that the plight of animals varies differently between countries (Canada and the US are a good example of that). Perhaps she is from a country that has animal farming practices that involve killing that does not bother her.<br><br><br><br>
As for your mini-rant about the meat-eaters, remember this: Everyone has different opinions and that does not make them less or more enlightened. I've found as many veg*ns unenlightened concerning animal farming welfare (thinking every country on earth uses growth hormones, thinking every farm is like the Meet your Meat video, thinking US laws are like other countries') as omnis who didn't think about where their meat came from (thinking meat is grown in syroform packages, thinking all the cows in the farm had names given to them by children). Try not to judge these people for believing differently then you.<br><br><br><br>
In the end, if they cause you a lot of stress, then not visiting there may be your best option.
 

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Wow Veg, I have to say, I am really dissapointed in your statement. I am the person who you told about this message board and then mentioned I occasionally eat fish! And I will admit, I am not a 'vegetarian' (I put this in quotes because of the fish thing) because of the killing, I do it because of the living conditions and then the way the animals are slaughtered enmass. I do not have an inherent problem with killing. I am prochoice and prodeath penalty. If I did not live in the city and raised my own chickens then I might eat them because I knew they were treated well and had a good life. I may have not gone into detail about all of my beliefs because it was just a message board. But who are you to judge me?<br><br><br><br>
Is this opinion different than most vegetarians? Probably. But that doesnt mean I cant make educated posts here on this board. I have a huge selection of vegetarian and vegan cookbooks and have been cooking vegetarian/vegan for almost six years. That might not be very long for a lot of people, but I think it is enough to make suggestions here. I eat every kind of 'weird' vegetarian food from tofu to tempeh to seitan to chic patties. I have tried every brand of soy cheese. I think I have a lot to offer these boards.<br><br><br><br>
Dont you think it is better to have people choose not to eat some kinds of meat rather than eating all kinds of meat? I started with not eating pork and then when I met my husband, he was a vegan, so I gave up everything. I did this for two years. As time has gone on I have slowly started to eat cheese and I occasionally will bake with eggs. And yes, sometimes I eat fish. But wouldnt this planet be a whole lot better if everyone ate the way I do? Would it be even better if everyone went vegan? Yes. I think it would. But that isnt going to happen. So why not a happy medium?<br><br><br><br>
I have read Diet for a New America, the Food Revolution and You Dont Need Meat. I am raising my children as vegetarians. I am starting to purchase almost everything organic. But I drink one can of Coke a day!!! Is this hypocritical? Maybe, but I like my soda and I want to enjoy my life, not restrict everything I like. Oh, and I had a cigarette the other day and I drink wine!<br><br><br><br>
For mother's day I tried a new Raw Food restaurant in Santa Monica, CA. It was really good. Should I have not eaten there because the next day I had a tuna fish sandwitch?<br><br><br><br>
Personally, I think one of the major problems with the vegetarian /vegan diet is the hard core stance it takes through groups like PETA. It is almost like they are dareing people to give up meat. If they made it easier and let people come to it in their own ways, then I think a lot of people would eat a lot less meat. For example, I know a lot of people who have given up red meat. I say CONGRADULATIONS! not- well why dont you give up chicken, turkey, fish ,and pork. And I saw a commercial for McDonalds veggie burger. Well, I am going to try that burger, because even though I hate McDonalds and think they are a horrible company, I do think they are really starting to make an effort. They have sort of tried to get their egg and chicken producers to not use such cruel procedures such as debeaking and force feeding and now with this veggie burger, I guess I think they are starting to listen. And I want to help support this movement. (Now if they would only change their fries)<br><br><br><br>
As for the people on the FTV message boards who make jokes, I have been fortunate enough to not to run into them. Actually, the only person who has judged me and has given me grief about my eating habits has been you.
 

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beachgirl, aside from the fish issue, I have similar feelings to you. I don't think it's morally wrong to kill and eat other animals but I do think it's wrong how we make them live and how we kill them. But you're right, every little bit helps. Never fear, you're still welcome here.
 

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Beachgirl -<br><br><br><br>
Whatever your veggie values are - I don't think they prohibit you from posting to the board. If any pro meat eating propaganda (not that you'd do it) did happen to sneak into posts or become a problem - I'm sure one of the moderators would address it.<br><br><br><br>
I am behind anyone who is making an effort to ease the suffering of animals.<br><br>
Even my omni sister who has jumped on the bandwagon of the meatless monday campaign (<a href="http://www.meatlessmonday.com" target="_blank">www.meatlessmonday.com</a>) - Yay!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by beachgirl</i><br><br><b>I think I have a lot to offer these boards.</b></div>
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I absolutely support your presence here, and welcome you and your input. I even agree with nearly everything you said, though I am against the raising and slaughter of animals for food, except in cases where that is the only available option for survival.<br><br><br><br>
BTW, I live in Hollywood, CA. I didn't know we had a raw place in Santa Monica. What's it called, and where is it exactly?
 

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Whoa. Watch out1 I feel like I'm dodging bullets here!<br><br><br><br>
Anyhow, I'm in the "Six days a week with meat is better than seven days" camp. And I agree with beachgirl when she says that PETA make it too hard.
 

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In regards to the raw food restaurant, it is called Julliano's Raw and it is located on the corner of Broadway and 6th in Santa Monica. The atmosphere is casual. The chef is pretty famous for his raw food cuisine! I had the taco appitizer and my husband had the guacamole. Then for dinner I had the 'hamburger' and he had the pad thai. I thought they were both very interesting. Definatly edible, but my burger was very rich, I had a hard time finishing it. But maybe that is a good thing! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> There were two desserts, so we had them both! I thought they were really good. It took a few bites to really get into them, but then they sort of grew on me and I thought they were both fantastic. I would go again to try some of the items I didnt have the first time.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by beachgirl</i><br><br><b>If I did not live in the city and raised my own chickens then I might eat them because I knew they were treated well and had a good life.</b></div>
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Just out of curiosity, would you also eat dogs and cats if you raised them yourself? Please don't interpret this as an attack - I'm genuinely curious. I have companion chickens who are *remarkably* intelligent and cuddly, so I do find it kind of anomalous that people who aren't bothered by the thought of killing chickens should be horrified when it comes to killing dogs and cats. Again, please don't interpret this as an attack...it's not meant to be. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I don't want anything to die so that I may live. This is a personal decision, on top of the fact that I disagree with factory farming practice.<br><br>
Nonetheless, I don't understand how we can say that it is not morally correct to kill animals and eat them. We are animals, we are omnivores, and physically meant to eat meat, if we must. Its a survival thing, really, and it dates back to the ancient time of man. I don't eat meat because I don't have to- nothing must be sacrificed so I can live. Its not necessary. But for us to say its morally wrong- which I really walk the fence on, actually- well, it just doesn't make complete sense to me.<br><br>
Don't get me wrong, I don't like killing, I don't like death, and thats why I abstain from meat eating....but...I can't argue with the fact that some animals are designed to consume meat.<br><br>
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Many people on earth do indeed eat Fluffy and Fido after they get too old. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I think there is a difference between raising an animal for food and raising an animal to be your companion. What I mean is, I would think of those animals differently. I would not let myself become too attached to a chicken or a turkey that I was going to raise to eat.<br><br><br><br>
I guess I do not have a problem with death persay. To me it is just part of the cycle of life. My grandfather just passed away after having one of the most amazing lives a person could have. He passed quietly while driving with my grandmother , my brother and my cousin. He was surrounded by loving family when he passed. We buried his ashes with a redbud tree at our ranch in Texas. Now, his ashes will fertalize that tree and hopefully his soul will be reborn or maybe he will go to heaven. (I dont know what happens but I hope it is good) My point is, I am not sorry he died, I am sorry he is not physically with me anymore and i can not talk to him face to face. Death was not an evil horrible thing, it was just one more stage to go through.<br><br><br><br>
But, if he had been cruely murdered or left in the hospital in a vegetative state or some other horrible thing, well, then I would have a problem with that. I think it is sort of the same thing with meat. I have a problem with the cruelty in which livestock and poultry are killed after living horrible lives. But if I raised a chicken and let it live in trees like that one person does, then I dont think I would have a problem with killing it when it was time to eat it. Fortunatly, I live in a time where I dont have to make that choice. I can go to the grocery store and buy wheat gluten and make seitan and eat that instead of chicken.
 

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Thanks to all who understood my need to vent after reading all the joking about the cruelties I had recently read on the 'other board'.<br><br><br><br>
I, in no way , meant to be judgmental to those who make choices different from my own. After 7 years as a vegetarian, I've heard pretty much everything! I dine with groups of friends where I am alone in my menu selections, however interest is often expressed, and I welcome the opportunity to inform. I know I've made a difference to some and given "food" for thought to many.<br><br><br><br>
I never use gross or demeaning descriptions as I know kindness and patient understanding opens more ears.<br><br><br><br>
There were posts here, too, that got me going. By this I mean, the ones where people were expressing the silly questions and statements made by omni's about their vegetarianism.<br><br><br><br>
Please, forgive any misunderstanding. I'm aware all with an interest in a vegetatian lifestyle are welcome here and I am glad that it is so. Thank you.
 

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Beachgirl,<br><br><br><br>
I'm sorry you think I was "judging you." In re-reading my post, I don't see where I did that. I was simply telling others I was unaware of your degree of vegetarian commitment when I suggested you check out this board.<br><br><br><br>
I'm afraid I came on too strongly by including my other feelings about certain forums in the FN boards in nearly the same breath.<br><br><br><br>
Please forgive my insensitiveness to you. You have offered many helpful tips on FN as I know you will continue to do.
 

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Beachgirl - I am one of the "old school" members (and moderator), and I welcome your presence. 'Course, that will cause some to immediately call for your being tossed out on your behind. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Vegluv - I don't think there is ever a need to "apologize" for inviting someone else. All new members read the rules and know what is expected. No one else is responsible for their actions.<br><br>
I can see how Beachgirl took your comments as criticism.
 

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I agree Vegluv - and - if everyone followed this simple practice (on this board as well as the world in general) - wouldn't that be a wonderful thing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kristadb</i><br><br><b>Many people on earth do indeed eat Fluffy and Fido after they get too old. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></b></div>
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Would that be Fluffy and Fido or--- the PEOPLE after they get too old?<br><br><br><br>
He-hee---sorry, struck me funny!
 
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