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I just saw this article on CNN that talks about the Navy employing dolphins and sea lions to guard the Northwest against terrorist marine attacks!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/02/12/dolphins.sealions.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/02/12....ap/index.html</a>
 

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*sigh* It's not the first time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I take it you're all familiar with The Onion? if not, then you should be!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37893" target="_blank">http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37893</a>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>dictatortot</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I take it you're all familiar with The Onion? if not, then you should be!<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37893" target="_blank">http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37893</a></div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>veggiejanie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Why can't we just leave them alone?</div>
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I don't see the problem here. This is a case of humans getting along quite well with animals. To me this is a beacon of hope in a world of animal manipulation and explotation.<br><br><br><br>
Dolphins (seals, I'm not too sure about) are incredibly smart creatures. The only way you could get a dolphin to do stuff like that for you would be with positive encouragement. I'm sure they are all very happy and treated well with a lot of fish for all the help they are choosing to give to us.<br><br><br><br>
I see this more as a symbiotic relationship. They realise that if they do what we want them to do then they will be rewarded.<br><br><br><br>
I guess what I'm trying to say is there is no "evil dolphin master" dressed up in leather whipping them for not completing the days quota. Both sides are happy.
 

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Yeah. Give them a few fish and then it's okay. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
Nice first post, btw.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Yeah. Give them a few fish and then it's okay. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
Nice first post, btw.</div>
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Firstly, thanks for the comments there, nothing like a bit of sarcasm to make my day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:"><br><br><br><br>
Secondly, I was saying a lot more than "give them a few fish then it's okay". They are clearly CHOOSING to help humans if it means they benifit from doing so.<br><br><br><br>
Would you call it wrong if a mother said to her child "clean your room today and i'll but you an ice-cream when I go out shopping". No. The child is making a concious choice to do what his mother wants if it means he can get an ice cream at the end of it. I see much the same thing happening here.<br><br><br><br>
Nice trolling, btw. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I am with <b>Melvin Adams</b> [the Electrician] on this one.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><i>"I gave up canned tuna for the dolphins, and now they're just blowing them to ****?"</i></div>
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Putting dolphins at risk is a step in an incredibly wrong direction. I'm not down with this at all. Not at all.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KameSama</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Firstly, thanks for the comments there, nothing like a bit of sarcasm to make my day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:"><br><br><br><br>
Secondly, I was saying a lot more than "give them a few fish then it's okay". They are clearly CHOOSING to help humans if it means they benifit from doing so.<br><br><br><br>
Would you call it wrong if a mother said to her child "clean your room today and i'll but you an ice-cream when I go out shopping". No. The child is making a concious choice to do what his mother wants if it means he can get an ice cream at the end of it. I see much the same thing happening here.<br><br><br><br>
Nice trolling, btw. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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The dolphin just wants to be fed ... how many of those dolphins, do you think, would still want to go looking for mines if they understood what kind of danger they were actually being put in?<br><br><br><br>
Dolphins are incredibly intelligent creatures, but they are not intelligent enough to know the military is <i>using</i> them.<br><br><br><br>
Experienced, trained, <i>volunteering</i>, <i>human</i> divers should be looking for mines. Not an animal that doesn't know any better.
 

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The dolphin just wants to be fed ... how many of those dolphins, do you think, would still want to go looking for mines if they understood what kind of danger they were actually being put in?<br><br><br><br>
Dolphins are incredibly intelligent creatures, but they are not intelligent enough to know the military is <i>using</i> them.<br><br><br><br>
Experienced, trained, <i>volunteering</i>, <i>human</i> divers should be looking for mines. Not an animal that doesn't know any better.</div>
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Apologies, I only read the article properly just then. Prehaps I should have done more than just skim it over before becoming so opinionated on the subject <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wall.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":wall:"><br><br><br><br>
Particularly the part where it mentions them sending in a bunch of dolphins into an area beleived to be full of mines in 2003. That's practically using them as cannon fodder. How cruel... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/">
 

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Umm, I'm not putting a opinion on this yet, but why would they tell anyone? Now every suspicious swimmer is going to be equipt with a harpoon gun.
 

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Umm, I'm not putting a opinion on this yet, but why would they tell anyone? Now every suspicious swimmer is going to be equipt with a harpoon gun.</div>
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<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/idea2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":idea:"> Prehaps propaganda?<br><br><br><br>
I'm sure making a potential enemy fear a weapon can be just as effective as actually using it. But hey, I could well be wrong there.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KameSama</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Firstly, thanks for the comments there, nothing like a bit of sarcasm to make my day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/brood.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":brood:"><br><br><br><br>
Secondly, I was saying a lot more than "give them a few fish then it's okay". They are clearly CHOOSING to help humans if it means they benifit from doing so.<br><br><br><br>
Would you call it wrong if a mother said to her child "clean your room today and i'll but you an ice-cream when I go out shopping". No. The child is making a concious choice to do what his mother wants if it means he can get an ice cream at the end of it. I see much the same thing happening here.<br><br><br><br>
Nice trolling, btw. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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HCAngel covered it for me...I don't think the dolphins are getting "all the facts". However, I still think it's a lame argument, as by the same token, you could justify places like Sea World, where animals are made to do "tricks" to receive rewards. What about circuses? etc. etc.<br><br><br><br>
As for the mother/child, that's a whole different scenario (since a dolphin is not a child). I would say that this approach is pretty flawed and is part of what helps kids to be fat. "Do something good and get some edible treat." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:"> But perhaps that's for another thread.
 
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