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Just on the news that a pit bull has killed a five year old girl in St. Helens (England).<br><br>
I thought pit bulls had been banned over here, but either way it's a horrible tragic incident that should never have happened.<br><br>
Should dog liscencing be brought back, any thoughts, it would mean that dogs should be easier to trace, maybe cutting down on neglectful owners or am I just not seeing the problems.
 

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They aren't banned I don't think, if they are I'm a bit concerned because I see them regularly strolling down the street (with an owner attached...most of the time).<br><br><br><br>
More bad publicity for them though...and the poor girl <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:">
 

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Pits are banned in the UK- so as usual, a pit gets blamed for something a pit did not do...<br><br><br><br>
It was either a mixed breed or a Staffordshire Bull- but if this occured in England it is virtually impossible that it was an American Pit Bull Terrier. But hey anytime a short'ish haired animal with four legs does anything wrong, it's always blamed on "pit bulls"
 

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I think it is a horrible tragedy however I do not believe in banning a certain breed of dogs. It is the owner that is the problem, not the dog. I have met many very friendly pitbulls just as I have met very mean nasty aggressive toy dogs. I think the main issue is that people are not willing to put the time and energy into properly training and socializing their dog. This is extremely important especially for dogs with guarding instincts. I hate when incidents like this occur but it generally causes a backlash against all dogs. Ok I'll get off my soapbox now.
 

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Here's a link: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6222319.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/6222319.stm</a><br><br><br><br>
Very sad.<br><br><br><br>
I think there are too many unanswered questions to comment on the situation. It's unfortunate that no description of the dog was given.
 

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A four year old boy who lives in our area (Houston) was attacked and killed<br><br>
by two pit bulls about a month ago.The police were not able to locate the<br><br>
owner.
 

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Hey not saying anythig against any breed of dog, I've got Jack Russels which has a reputaion as being a snappy dog, neither or ours or any of the previous JR's have ever snapped. I agree that it's all in the owner, I just thought that they were banned.<br><br>
The owners friend is the one who has come on tv and called it a pit bull.
 

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they're sayings it's a pitbull type dog on the radio now - they're going to autopsy it today to find out exactly what it is, and see if they can prosecute the owner under the dangerous dogs act. They said there had been several complaints about the dog going after other dogs and being aggresive to people, but only one official warning was given when it went for an elderly man a few months ago.<br><br><br><br>
I really feel for the family
 

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managing the stigma of outlaw breeds<br><br><a href="http://www.psyeta.org/sa/sa8.1/arluke.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.psyeta.org/sa/sa8.1/arluke.shtml</a>
 

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Ballymena in N Ireland has become the first place in the UK to have a pit bull amnesty - whereby owners can hand in their illegal pit bulls to have them humanely destroyed without fear of prosecution.<br><br>
15 dogs have already been handed in and although most turned out to be legal breeds, 3 were found to be pit bulls and were put down.<br><br><br><br>
I think it would be better to monitor the illegal dogs and make sure they are neutered to try and prevent any new ones being born. I think that an amnesty will only result in dogs being brought forward that are already owned by responsible people and are not a major threat to the public anyway.
 

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^ Exactly. I really admire those people who brought their dogs in, especially those who weren't even sure if their dog was one, that must be such a hard descision to make.
 

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A few years ago while on vacation w/our pit bull we spoke to a woman from England who said they were banned there. I'm guessing she meant the whole country & not a specific area.<br><br><br><br>
I don't think banning them is the answer. A council member in NYC, Peter Vallone, wants them banned here which I have a problem w/. Not all pits will attack. There are other breeds that will attack quicker than a pit will. I blame the owners. Many of these dogs are bred wrong and/or abused. It's sad that the entire breed gets a bad rap.<br><br><br><br>
My dog came from very good parents. He has his mother's laid back temperment. His father was a little more agressive but not in a bad way. Males are usually a little more agressive (human & non-human) anyway. He is now 13 & has 2 sisters that live w/other family members. His sisters are on their way out. I give my guy about 2 more years. Sad, but its a reality.
 

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I wish they would bring back dog licences, I for one would be happy to get two for my crossbreeds jrt's.<br><br>
I think it would sort the wheat from the chaff as genuine dog lovers would still get dogs and the morons who have no intelligence and just get the dog for fighting, breeding and just for status and do not love the dog wouldnt pay for a licence. If the licence was expensive it would do the trick.<br><br>
Ideally with an application for a licence folks should be vetted and assessed.<br><br><br><br>
Having had rescued dogs for over 40 yrs, licence's were in force here in the Uk in the 60's at only 7/6 pence!!.
 

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Agreeing with the liscence thing.<br><br>
If your dog is liscenced it gets microchipped, so they can easily be checked with readers say in the park by wardens.<br><br>
Thing is, people who are likely to own banned breeds arent really going to bother liscencing them anyway!
 

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Yes all dogs should be microchipped as well as licencing.<br><br><br><br>
Just been on TV of a family with 5 rotties and four children and all live happily together.
 

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^ Exactly. I really admire those people who brought their dogs in, especially those who weren't even sure if their dog was one, that must be such a hard descision to make.</div>
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You <i>admire</i> people who hand their dogs over to be killed?!? Remind me <i>never</i> to leave any of my pets near any one like you. Ever.
 

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Ballymena in N Ireland has become the first place in the UK to have a pit bull amnesty - whereby owners can hand in their illegal pit bulls to have them humanely destroyed without fear of prosecution.<br><br>
15 dogs have already been handed in and although most turned out to be legal breeds, 3 were found to be pit bulls and were put down.<br><br><br><br>
I think it would be better to monitor the illegal dogs and make sure they are neutered to try and prevent any new ones being born. I think that an amnesty will only result in dogs being brought forward that are already owned by responsible people and are not a major threat to the public anyway.</div>
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Wow, am I the only one who finds this really disturbing. How can you just "destroy" a living creature for being a certain breed. I have a Pit Bull (in avatar), and he will not do anything with out our permission (not even bark or move towards a dog who is barking at him...and this happens a lot when I take him for a walk). This is like a child being punished when its the parents who did such a bad job raising them. If this breed is illegal then i would imagine that the people who choose to keep this dog don't plan on properly raising it as a pet. Since they are not raised properly they are more likely to attack and kill people like this. From what I read, the Pit Bull was considered a great pet in the US before they became associated with dog fighting. I haven't had any problems with my dog, aside from the fact that he is only comfortable around us.
 

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Not at all obaig89. The same thing happened during the 2nd World War. Many daschunds were destroyed because they were suddenly unfashionable. Daschunds in England were destroyed in the hundreds, and thousands went homeless because they were associated with Germany. The same thing happened here. Alsatians ("German Shepherds") were killed because they were associated with Germany. Pit bulls are unfashionable and thus it's ok to take them in to get them "humanely euthanised" so you can "upgrade" to the latest designer model.
 

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I live in Merseyside. Here, it is very common to see people (usually older teenage boys) who have a pit bull to make them look tough. They don't have the dog as a pet, they have it as a weapon. They use the dogs to intimidate and threaten. If I saw a kid with a pit bull coming towards me in certain areas, I would cross the street. And so would most people who live here. Its the equivalent of seeing someone walk down the street with a loaded gun.<br><br><br><br>
I cannot understand why someone would choose to own this type of dog, especially if they have children. Surely, if there is any risk at all to your child, you would choose another breed?
 
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