Makes more sense thanks guysOriginally Posted by synergy
Like MRSSHF said, we did not have to supplement B-12 in the past. Meat isn't the source for b-12, bacteria found in the air and the soil is. The reason meat and other animal products have b-12 is because they eat unwashed grains, produce and even small amounts of dirt.
The fact is, if you had your own organic garden with good soil that had not been depleted, you could probably get enough B-12 from eating fruits and veggies straight from the garden without washing them. If you can't do that, you shouldn't risk either eating unwashed fruits and veggies or not supplementing (or at least eating lots of fortified foods).
I personally take a B-12 supplement a few times a week, I use Red Star vegetarian support formula nutritional yeast as much as I can (3+ times a week) and I drink fortified soymilk about 5 times a week. This way, I don't have to worry about having symptomless (until it's too late) neurological disorders![]()
Meat is a source of B12 if you eat meat! There are higher concentrations of B12 in meat than in the source from which the animals get it, and just because it is present in certain sources doesn't mean you're getting the absorption you need. I don't quite get your statement "Like MRSSHF said, we did not have to supplement B-12 in the past," when there is no study of vegans and their B12 sources "in the past," to my knowledge (I am genuinely interested, if you can turn me onto a study).Originally Posted by synergy
Like MRSSHF said, we did not have to supplement B-12 in the past. Meat isn't the source for b-12, bacteria found in the air and the soil is. The reason meat and other animal products have b-12 is because they eat unwashed grains, produce and even small amounts of dirt.
The fact is, if you had your own organic garden with good soil that had not been depleted, you could probably get enough B-12 from eating fruits and veggies straight from the garden without washing them. If you can't do that, you shouldn't risk either eating unwashed fruits and veggies or not supplementing (or at least eating lots of fortified foods).
I personally take a B-12 supplement a few times a week, I use Red Star vegetarian support formula nutritional yeast as much as I can (3+ times a week) and I drink fortified soymilk about 5 times a week. This way, I don't have to worry about having symptomless (until it's too late) neurological disorders![]()
Exactly what I was about to say.Originally Posted by MRSSHF
B12 should be found in the ground, so you should be able to get it from eating unwashed carrots, greens, potatoes, etc.
Unfortunately, we have poisoned the earth, and it is no longer safe to eat unwashed food.
Take a sublingual B12 supplement. It's much better to be less than completely natural than it is to be sick.
I didn't mean to imply that meat wasn't a source of B-12, just that it's not the only source, and that animals are in fact, ingesting it.Originally Posted by nigel
Meat is a source of B12 if you eat meat! There are higher concentrations of B12 in meat than in the source from which the animals get it, and just because it is present in certain sources doesn't mean you're getting the absorption you need. I don't quite get your statement "Like MRSSHF said, we did not have to supplement B-12 in the past," when there is no study of vegans and their B12 sources "in the past," to my knowledge (I am genuinely interested, if you can turn me onto a study).
Exactly why I said probablyThe "if" and "could probably" in "The fact is, if you had your own organic garden with good soil that had not been depleted, you could probably get enough B-12 from eating fruits and veggies straight from the garden without washing them," leaves plenty of room for failure, and is far from having been proven reliably.
I completely agreeIt remains that the only way to know if you're getting sufficient B12 is to get tested, and this is highly recommended for anyone not taking supplements, even if you do grow your own food, or eat clean dirt. I don't think you're recommending otherwise, I just wanted to stress its importance.