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Well i dunno about you guys but i didn't need to watch a video about animals being killed in order to start vegetarian. But what are your opinions about people who try to push veg. on others? And try to force it by making people feel horrible. You know by showing videos of animals being tortured? I've a vegetarian noob, but already since i became one i've gotten weird looks and stuff and people are like "oh so your one of those peta freaks." and i tell people i don't care what they eat, its just my own opinion not to eat meat. Anyway, i'm not blogging just asking what others think of the situation. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY VIDEOS LIKE MEET YOUR MEAT. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
 

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions but a veg*an is no more entitled to shove their beliefs down others throats than an omni or a religious person is.<br><br><br><br>
It's just not polite. However, I don't just leave facts out for the thought of someone feeling that I am doing such a thing. People feel threatened by veg*ans. I don't really get it, but then again I do. It's hard to explain.<br><br><br><br>
But just trying to make someone go veg is kind of ridiculous. People feel guilty on their own when they learn how much better a veg*an diet is for people and for the Earth, anyway. No need for a guilt trip when they lay it on themselves [and this where they feel threatened ... like it is our fault that they feel guilty].<br><br><br><br>
But they <i>are</i> guilty, if they know what goes on and still choose to ignore/support it.
 

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I agree with you, generally I think a person's diet is their own business. If they see that I enjoy being veg*an, get all my nutrients, and feel well- they are free to ask me questions about it and I would love to answer, I'm all for breaking down veg stereotypes, but that also includes breaking the one about being a pushy PETA supporter.
 

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i agree that a person is entitled to their own opinion, but a lot of people dont know what their opinion really is. they like to run with the crowd. And while it is good that you are helping animals by not eating their flesh, if you could do something...anything.. to help get others to feel the same, isnt it okay?<br><br><br><br>
i agree people can get out of hand, but aside from people getting annoyed, or scared of the truth, is it wrong to push these beliefs?
 

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It bothers me when people use rhetoric like "forcing your view" or "pushing it onto others." People are capable of making their own dietary and lifestyle choices. Just because I send a link to my friend of a graphic video, research study, or recipe website doesn't mean I'm forcing anything on them. It means I'm sharing truth. Introducing new information to them that they may not have known before. Planting a seed, if you will.<br><br><br><br>
I do not believe it's wrong to advocate veganism or animal liberation. There is a proper way to do it, though. Although I have a feeling that my idea of "taking it too far" is far more extreme than most people's idea. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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It bothers me when people use rhetoric like "forcing your view" or "pushing it onto others." People are capable of making their own dietary and lifestyle choices. Just because I send a link to my friend of a graphic video, research study, or recipe website doesn't mean I'm forcing anything on them. It means I'm sharing truth. Introducing new information to them that they may not have known before. Planting a seed, if you will.<br><br><br><br>
I do not believe it's wrong to advocate veganism or animal liberation. There is a proper way to do it, though. Although I have a feeling that my idea of "taking it too far" is far more extreme than most people's idea. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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lol you're a good person. we have a lot of same views on this haha
 

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lol you're a good person. we have a lot of same views on this haha</div>
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Thank you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":shy:">
 

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I agree with you too, Janie. I am not forcing them to go veg*n, but why should I keep them in the dark on the facts to be polite? I am not FORCING them to do anything. The decision is ultimately their own.
 

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I think sending someone a video link etc. is probably seen as just as rude as sending proselytizing religious links to someone who does not believe that way. I don't send my friends and family links about veg stuff because I think it would annoy them or alienate them from my ideas before I get a chance to explain. But I do write about things on my blog and put links there--anyone is free to read my posts, click my links, or ignore completely.<br><br><br><br>
I think you have to be careful not to p*ss ppl off!
 

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The only person I push my opinions on is my husband. But that is because when he married me he instantly became entitled to hold my opinion on everything. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
But if someone asks me why I'm not eating meat I won't shy away from telling them. I mean, hell, it isn't like they shy away from telling me that they think I'm a freak, stupid, crazy, weird, depriving my child of a 'normal childhood', not healthy, brainwashed or any one of dozens of other stupid comments.<br><br><br><br>
And it isn't like I haven't had a meat eater or three wave their steak or burger in front of me to "show me what I am missing." Or make mooing and clucking sounds while they eat their food.<br><br><br><br>
So if they're going to be in my face about it ... they get it right back.
 

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The only person I push my opinions on is my husband. But that is because when he married me he instantly became entitled to hold my opinion on everything. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br></div>
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Haha, that's classic! LMAO<br><br><br><br>
I've had a problem with this lately. I've been telling all my family members about the stuff I've read/watched, and they don't want to hear it. It's very disturbing to me that they won't even consider looking at it. I guess I assume that if they knew what I know, they'd make some changes. I don't expect them to become veg*n, but I assume that they are compassionate people who would at least cut back. That has not proven to be the case. They don't want to hear anything about it. They don't want to know the truth. Am I pushy? Maybe a little bit. It's hard not to talk about it.
 

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I know what you're saying. People like that, IMO, give others a bad rep. I've had meat-eaters tell me before: "I don't like vegetarian's because you're very rude and pushy about their beliefs." Even if we feel it's the right diet to have, we cannot force graphic images on them. We can try to educate people politely. Now, if a meat eaters starts making jokes that are inappropriate and rude, that's when we can pull out the videos and beat them with it.<br><br><br><br>
I like PETA to a certain extent. I think they have a great goal and idea for animal rights, but the way they go about reaching it is completely wrong and unacceptable. They turn people off by a lot of the things they do (the supporters who bomb places, the KFC campaign that involved showing graphic pictures to children, etc).
 

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They don't want to see it because deep down it makes them guitly. They tend to think "ignorance is bliss" when it comes to what's going on in a factory farm. Others have been raised in farms in childhood and feel that you are attacking them for growing up on a farm.<br><br><br><br>
I find it odd how it is so "taboo" for us to show them an animal rights video but it is perfectly OK for them to say things like "you are an ignorant extremist", "animals are dumb and have no feelings" and "look at my CANINES" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/dunce.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":dunce:">
 

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I doubt any reasonable person would say it's perfecty ok to call someone an "ignorant extremist".
 

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I agree. When animals stop being so lazy and learn to speak for themselves then they can advocate for themselves to get out of the horribly abusive and torturous circumstances in which they are kept. Like, why should we do the work for them?<br><br><br><br>
Likewise it was unbearably pushy for the abolitionists to be in peoples' faces trying to free black slaves in the south; and it was just so irritating how the resistance in Germany during WWII were being all sneaky and even breaking the law trying to liberate the Jews. I'm with you.
 

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Honestly, you don't have to click the links mate.<br><br><br><br>
I am not sure if it was you I linked to a video earlier and you said "no, no, no... etc" (I think so) but in any case, if someone doesn't know the truth about something, I am going to show them. People are very easily able to ignore something until they SEE it.<br><br><br><br>
And I don't like having meat waved at me and people always do that.. why should I feel bad about showing them the truth they don't know about?
 

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To me this whole issue is a non-issue because I reject the personal choice ideology which some people in this thread advocate and which directly contradicts animal rights, and because I believe that influencing others - being actively political or whatever - should cover all areas of life. Showing videos is a drop in the ocean, and whether one should show videos is a strategical question, not an ethical question of appropriateness.<br><br><br><br>
To me a major point even in living a vegan lifestyle is precisely that it's a way to express AR and so to influence others. Given this, it's not surprising that I don't see attempts to influence others as "rubbing stuff in their face".
 

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I do not believe it's wrong to advocate veganism or animal liberation. There is a proper way to do it, though. Although I have a feeling that my idea of "taking it too far" is far more extreme than most people's idea. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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There certainly is a proper way to go about it but I don't think you really understand what that is. Getting all PO'd and posting in the CH that vegetarians don't give a s*** about the suffering of animals because they're not vegan, isn't exactly the way to do it.<br><br><br><br>
Coming up against that kind of confrontational approach IRL wouldn't make most vegetarians want to follow your vegan example. It's more likely that they would give you a quick retort and then distance themselves from you - which doesn't really accomplish much for the vegan cause in the end does it?
 

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I think sending someone a video link etc. is probably seen as just as rude as sending proselytizing religious links to someone who does not believe that way. I don't send my friends and family links about veg stuff because I think it would annoy them or alienate them from my ideas before I get a chance to explain. But I do write about things on my blog and put links there--anyone is free to read my posts, click my links, or ignore completely.<br><br><br><br>
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Absolutely, if you still want them to be listening to you a few months or years down the track. I think going about it the way you've mentioned is a perfectly acceptable way of doing things <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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