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<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I'm curious about how other people affect your motivation to exercise and lose weight. When you see overweight people, does it create a sort of desire to not look/be like that? When you see a thin or fit person, does it motivate you to be more like them? Or maybe none of the above?</span>
 

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Neither, I motivate myself to be *healthy* not to 'lose weight' or 'gain weight'.
 

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When I see fit people it does motivate me more. Unhealthy people dont have an effect one way or the other because I KNOW I am healthy and I would never be like that.
 

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Well, I'm motivated to be healthy because I don't want to be overweight and in poor health, and because I want to be slender and in good health. So, both kinds of people 'motivate' me, I suppose, but I'm really the one doing the motivating since I'm the one striving for a certain physique and level of healthfulness.
 

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I'm curious about how other people affect your motivation to exercise and lose weight. When you see overweight people, does it create a sort of desire to not look/be like that? When you see a thin or fit person, does it motivate you to be more like them? Or maybe none of the above?</div>
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Jesus in a jetpack, small font hurts my eyes.<br><br>
Anyway, to answer your question, no to either. If you have a natural revulsion to overweight people, that is prejudice. You can be chunky and healthy, it's possible, and I try to confront my prejudices head on and examine why I feel that way. Likewise, if you see a thin person and desire to be like them, that's envy. I try not to be envious of others, and love what I have/ love me for me.<br><br>
The cult of the thin in our society has got to end. It's an unhealthy obsession. Love you for you, no matter your shape.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kibbleforlola</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2935388"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Jesus in a jetpack, small font hurts my eyes.<br><br>
Anyway, to answer your question, no to either. If you have a natural revulsion to overweight people, that is prejudice. You can be chunky and healthy, it's possible, and I try to confront my prejudices head on and examine why I feel that way. Likewise, if you see a thin person and desire to be like them, that's envy. I try not to be envious of others, and love what I have/ love me for me.<br><br>
The cult of the thin in our society has got to end. It's an unhealthy obsession. Love you for you, no matter your shape.</div>
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Seeing overweight people does remind me of how large I was and how terrifying the thought of returning to that unhealthy size and state was, yes, which does motivate me to not go backwards in my fitness.
 

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I agree that you should love yourself, but part of loving yourself is taking the best care of yourself. If you are overweight - or too thin, for that matter - you should want to lose (or gain) weight not because you hate yourself, but because you love yourself enough to be your best.<br><br>
If you're looking at someone heavy and it reminds you that you don't want to live that life, I'm not sure that's really prejudice. I understand the sentiment behind that statement, but I'm not talking about looking at someone and thinking, 'Oh, gosh, that person is disgusting and less than fit people.' I'm talking about realizing that that is not a good lifestyle, and being reminded of it when seeing people who do live that way.<br><br>
As for envying fit people (not JUST thin, but also fit - there's a marked difference), I don't know what's so bad about that as long as it's done in a healthy, non-obsessive way. I'm envious of people who are fit and wealthy and highly educated. But that makes me go after what I want even more. It's not that I begrudge them what I have or my self-esteem is lowered just looking at them.<br><br>
Anyway, yeah. I guess both motivate me. They're images of what I want to be and what I can be, versus images of what I have been and what I never want to be again.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kibbleforlola</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2935388"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Jesus in a jetpack, small font hurts my eyes.<br><br>
Anyway, to answer your question, no to either. If you have a natural revulsion to overweight people, that is prejudice. You can be chunky and healthy, it's possible, and I try to confront my prejudices head on and examine why I feel that way. Likewise, if you see a thin person and desire to be like them, that's envy. I try not to be envious of others, and love what I have/ love me for me.<br><br>
The cult of the thin in our society has got to end. It's an unhealthy obsession. Love you for you, no matter your shape.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>xamorphia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2935405"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I agree that you should love yourself, but part of loving yourself is taking the best care of yourself. If you are overweight - or too thin, for that matter - you should want to lose (or gain) weight not because you hate yourself, but because you love yourself enough to be your best.<br><br>
If you're looking at someone heavy and it reminds you that you don't want to live that life, I'm not sure that's really prejudice. I understand the sentiment behind that statement, but I'm not talking about looking at someone and thinking, 'Oh, gosh, that person is disgusting and less than fit people.' I'm talking about realizing that that is not a good lifestyle, and being reminded of it when seeing people who do live that way.<br><br>
As for envying fit people (not JUST thin, but also fit - there's a marked difference), I don't know what's so bad about that as long as it's done in a healthy, non-obsessive way. I'm envious of people who are fit and wealthy and highly educated. But that makes me go after what I want even more. It's not that I begrudge them what I have or my self-esteem is lowered just looking at them.<br><br>
Anyway, yeah. I guess both motivate me. They're images of what I want to be and what I can be, versus images of what I have been and what I never want to be again.</div>
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Except metabolism is a tricky thing. You can very much be 'fit' and 'fat' at the very same time. You can't simply make judgements on a person's lifestyle simply by how they look. And if you are, and it sounds like you are based on your posts, then that is very much prejudice-making judgements on a person's lifestyle based on how much someone weighs is the same as making judgements on their lifestyle based on the color of their skin, imo.<br><br>
And as to envy, you admitted it yourself it's envy, and yet you don't seem to see it as a bad thing, so whatever. *shrug*
 

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There are actually supposed to be two kinds of envy. There's the malicious kind of envy you are refering to, Kibble. Then there's the less talked about benign, admiring kind of envy. You can admire or be "envious" of someone without holding any ill will towards that person. You may just find them inspiring which I see nothing wrong with. <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/envy/#1.3" target="_blank">Here's</a> a bit more on it for anyone who's curious.
 

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Except metabolism is a tricky thing. You can very much be 'fit' and 'fat' at the very same time. You can't simply make judgements on a person's lifestyle simply by how they look. And if you are, and it sounds like you are based on your posts, then that is very much prejudice-making judgements on a person's lifestyle based on how much someone weighs is the same as making judgements on their lifestyle based on the color of their skin, imo.<br><br>
And as to envy, you admitted it yourself it's envy, and yet you don't seem to see it as a bad thing, so whatever. *shrug*</div>
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Oh, please. Metabolism has a lot more to do with how you take care of yourself than your genes. I'm so sick of people taking the easy way out and blaming it on genes. Sure, sometimes it is genes or a thyroid condition or whatever else, but overwhelmingly, being an unhealthy weight is due to an unhealthy lifestyle. Pinning the blame on your genes or whatever is something people do so they don't have to do anything about their weight. It's an excuse. If you want to be fat, go ahead. I frankly don't give a ****, (mod edited to remove personal attack). This is how I feel about everyone who does **** like this. Just like, "I can't be vegetarian because it's too hard!" or "I got sick!" Just admit that you don't want to do it, at least I can respect you for your honesty. But trying to cover up that you just don't care warrants no sympathy from me.
 

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Oh, please. Metabolism has a lot more to do with how you take care of yourself than your genes. I'm so sick of people taking the easy way out and blaming it on genes. Sure, sometimes it is genes or a thyroid condition or whatever else, but overwhelmingly, being an unhealthy weight is due to an unhealthy lifestyle. Pinning the blame on your genes or whatever is something people do so they don't have to do anything about their weight. It's an excuse. If you want to be fat, go ahead. I frankly don't give a ****, but if you wanna perpetuate lies and not even be accountable for your own damn lifestyle, gtfo. This is how I feel about everyone who does **** like this. Just like, "I can't be vegetarian because it's too hard!" or "I got sick!" Just admit that you don't want to do it, at least I can respect you for your honesty. But trying to cover up that you just don't care warrants no sympathy from me.</div>
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... That's not what she was saying. She was saying you can't judge someones lifestyle by how they look, which is true.
 

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... That's not what she was saying. She was saying you can't judge someones lifestyle by how they look, which is true.</div>
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I know what she was saying. She's implying that we shouldn't assume people are overweight because their own choices, which is untrue. Your weight is your choice, unlike your skin color or height or the size of your nose. If a see a person with big lips, I'm not going to assume they get lip injections. If I see a person who is overweight, I will assume that they don't take care of themselves.
 

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I know what she was saying. She's implying that we shouldn't assume people are overweight because their own choices, which is untrue. Your weight is your choice, unlike your skin color or height or the size of your nose. If a see a person with big lips, I'm not going to assume they get lip injections. If I see a person who is overweight, I will assume that they don't take care of themselves.</div>
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Not in all cases. And those cases are enough to not negatively judge all overweight people, your post was a rant about heavier people blaming their genes. Her post was about not judging because you don't know all the facts.
 

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Not in all cases. And those cases are enough to not negatively judge all overweight people, your post was a rant about heavier people blaming their genes. Her post was about not judging because you don't know all the facts.</div>
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There are exceptions to every rule, but as I have already said, most people who are overweight are so by their own means. I think the number of people who are overweight due to issues out of their control is a negligible one, and therefore not enough to keep me from making my assumption. You seem to disagree, which is fine, just don't try to convince me I should have any sympathy for overweight people.
 

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Not in all cases. And those cases are enough to not negatively judge all overweight people, your post was a rant about heavier people blaming their genes. Her post was about not judging because you don't know all the facts.</div>
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Looks like my point was proven for me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"> Sadly.
 

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There are exceptions to every rule, but as I have already said, most people who are overweight are so by their own means. I think the number of people who are overweight due to issues out of their control is a negligible one, and therefore not enough to keep me from making my assumption. You seem to disagree, which is fine, just don't try to convince me I should have any sympathy for overweight people.</div>
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that's to the point, and i agree with you 100%. there are a few who are overweight because of medical issues. most of it is just overeating on a calorie dense diet with a lack of exercise. and yes, all of us will eventually pay for what we chose to consume if it's not good for you. this is where personal responsibility cannot ultimately be avoided. so buck up or shut up. just don't whine about it.<br><br>
i'm sorry overweight people, i don't feel sorry for you and i don't want to pay the medical bills and support you on disability because you chose poor lifestyle habits. the same goes with alcoholics and crack heads. what has happened with discipline?
 

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that's to the point, and i agree with you 100%. there are a few who are overweight because of medical issues. most of it is just overeating on a calorie dense diet with a lack of exercise. and yes, all of us will eventually pay for what we chose to consume if it's not good for you. this is where personal responsibility cannot ultimately be avoided. so buck up or shut up. just don't whine about it.<br><br>
i'm sorry overweight people, i don't feel sorry for you and i don't want to pay the medical bills and support you on disability because you chose poor lifestyle habits. the same goes with alcoholics and crack heads. what has happened with discipline?</div>
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Bad parenting, imo. People keep letting their kids run around doing whatever they please, and giving into their every whim and desire. So the kids grown up with no concept of discipline and retain this sense of entitlement.
 
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