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because honestly, i tend to avoid it (i wouldn't add it if i had the choice) but if it happened to be in a food (say....Kashi go lean! cereal, i love that stuff) i tend to not mind. the reason i don't mind is because....well, do bees really suffer? how bad are their conditions that someone would want to refrain from eating honey? the main reason for my going vegan is the animal cruelty, and i just don't see how inhumane or cruel those bee farms (is that what they are called?) are, so i don't really mind eating honey.

honestly though, i'd really like to know more information on this, and hear your guys' opinions/thoughts..i'm kind of clueless on this one.

 

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A person who is a vegan, avoids honey, by definition. There will be arguing about it I'm sure, but it's really quite simple. If you claim to eat a vegan diet, you don't eat honey.
 

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I think if you follow the technical definition of a vegan, you don't eat honey. It's still an animal product, regardless of whether the animal suffers or not.

I personally don't eat it because I disagree with humans keeping other animals in captivity against their will - including bees. For you though, since your reasons for being vegan are specifically animal cruelty, I would suggest doing a lot of research on the issue and decide for yourself if it's cruel or not.

I think it's pretty cruel to keep any animal in a tiny, confined space for his entire life, but your decision will depend on how you define "cruel."
 

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Well, there are a lot of threads on honey if you search on it, but I know not everyone thinks to do that. I certainly don't all the time.

Bees are killed in the process. Not an incredible amount - they do want to keep them alive - but they still are.

The main issue is that being a vegan is about not doing harm to animals. Raising bees in a hive and taking their honey is interfering and stealing their food. Plus, honey is basically bee-spit, so it's an animal product. Vegans don't consume animal products.

Do what's comfortable for you.
 

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I'm not vegan, so maybe I'm not qualified to express an opinion, but it seems to me quite simple that...

1. Veganism is about not eating or using animal products.

2. Honey is an animal product.

So if I were going to go vegan tomorrow, of course the honey would have to go.

Similarly, I question whether insects can suffer in any meaningful way myself, but you don't see me, a vegetarian, eating chocolate covered ants, do you? (You don't.) Because ants are animals, and vegetarians don't eat animals. (I won't be adding silkworms to my diet anytime soon, either.)
 

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I'm quite curious about it as well. I had been using honey without thought up until a couple of weeks ago when I began reading more about it on here...I don't have any particularly strong convictions about it, but I also have no idea what I am putting money towards when I buy honey(even if it is organic, and 365 Everyday Brand from Whole Foods), and I would like to. At this point, I'd rather just stop calling myself a vegan(I believe "apian" is the term for someone whose only animal product consumption is honey) and explain to people why eating honey makes me non-vegan, as opposed to saying I'm vegan and eating honey.

I'd like to research it more, though, as well, because the other day these words popped into my head - "Bee cum". I'd rather not eat something that comes from a process named by a word which I also use dirtily - "pollenation".

Sadly, the thought occurred to me only a few days after I bought a new bottle of honey. So I think I'm going to use this up so as not to be wasteful, then stop using honey in my cooking/baking/etc. Maybe I'll replace it with agave nectar...as for abstaining from products with honey as an ingredient, I'm still not sure.
 

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I avoid honey 100%.

It helps that I don't like it.

But at the same time, I can't honestly say I feel as strongly about honey as I do about eggs and milk. I guess I'm just a bad vegan that way.

Cheers!

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I'm not vegan either but honey is definitely an animal product so yeah, if I were to slap that vegan label on myself I would need to give up honey (and some other stuff.)
 

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thanks guys for your responses. i searched and read some other threads (should've done that before i made this thread...tsk tsk) and i found plenty of good points to avoid honey. i will probably still continue to avoid it when i can...but i think i will probably finish up the box of cereal, and hopefully i can find another kashi cereal without honey.
 

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Nope, no honey for me, not on it's own or in products, I avoid it as I do any other animal ingredient.
 

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I also avoid it just as I do any other animal product. While not a lot of bees die in the harvesting process, some bee farmers burn the hives at the end of the season to save money. The honey is also their food which is being stollen and replaced with sugar water.
 

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I'm vegan and I don't eat honey. I have never consumed honey as a vegan, but I also gave in at one point...

when I had first switched to veganism, I was almost tempted to allow honey back into my diet. (many breads and cereals at school had honey on them)

I did some research online and I was still torn on the subject.

I decided that in the end, I could not consume honey and honestly still consider myself a complete dietary vegan. (I use that term, because some people complain about me having leather seats in my car, that I didn't even buy!)

It took some help from this board though...I almost gave in, but some of you guys convinced me not to. I'm glad that I had more time to think about it and got some opinions from you guys.

so yeah, I think honey is debatable, but in all honesty, I believe that to consider yourself a vegan, you can't eat honey. it is an animal product/byproduct and there is suffering that goes along with it.
 

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I became a vegan because I am against factory farming. Bees and honey have nothing to do with factory farming. I rarely eat honey, but if it is in bread or a granola bar or something I will eat it.
 

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Bees make honey for their own needs. They do not think "hey... there are human beings who LOVE honey, so let's make lots and lots extra so that we can share it with them".

Eating money means you are STEALING from the bees and you force them to work harder to replace the honey you are stealing from them.

On top of it, the methods used in industrial honey making DO make the bees suffer. Just one example: when the bees sting the people who are stealing their honey (they are well covered so do not get hurt), the bees DIE. All bees die once they have stung.

Smoking out the bees is also a method that is used. Would any human enjoy being smoked out of their house so that some big Alien Giant can come and steal all their food and their property?

If one cannot find your cereal without honey... well then just make your OWN cereal, or if you're lazy, then just do without. It is possible to live quite comfortably without cereal.

Oh and as to the "some vegans do eat honey yadda yadda yadda yadda", that is nonsense. It's like those vegetarians who eat fish. They SWEAR they are vegetarians. They will shout and stamp and pout that they ARE vegetarians... but they are not.

VEGANS DO NOT EAT HONEY because it is an animal product. There is basically no difference between consuming milk and consuming honey. Both are produced by animals for their own use, and both creatures are being exploited WITHOUT THEIR WRITTEN CONSENT so that humans can satisfy their stupid egoistical gourmandise.
 

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Originally Posted by Diana View Post

There is basically no difference between consuming milk and consuming honey.
Wow, you honestly believe there's no difference between consuming milk and consuming honey?

I guess that VeganOutreach article has a point. "Squashing flies with your car is the same as eating veal???"
 
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